Thoughts on the Marshall JVM410?

[SSK0909]

It's kinda hard to find much info and good comparison clips on the net.

The JCM800 boosted is by far my favourite rythm sound in the world, and I only sold mine because a clean channel is a must.

Theres a guy selling a JVM410 head for cheap (Half of new price) and I've heard that they get 90-95% of the way to the JCM800 tone? Can anyone confirm/dismiss this?

I currently own a Diezel VH4 that I love, but I'm still more into that dirty, roaring British sound, like a rusty dumptruck at max speed
At least for now, could possibly be the gas going to my head.

If the JVM delivers what I'm after, I could be tempted to trade with the VH4 if I get a load of cash alongside the JVM, hard to say if I'll regret though

So has anyone by chance A/B'ed a JVM and a VH4?

[vanhendrix]

I just bought a 410 a few weeks ago, and I'm still blown away by just how many awesome Marshall tones are in this thing. See, I love my powerball because it does a great clean and a great distortion, but everything in between just wangs chung. The Marshall on the other hand uses the modes for each channel (as you know, I assume), to step up the gain/voicing evenly.

The only drawback for me is that the footswitch only has 6 buttons. There's no way in hell I'll be able to narrow it down to my 6 favourite tones on this amp. No sir.

[Sepultorture]

the JVM410 was the first Marshall to floor me tone wise WITHOUT a boost. for some extreme nasty shit i'd still throw a boos tin there for just a bit of oomph, but it's def a higher gain head with more flexibility

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Originally Posted by vanhendrix

The only drawback for me is that the footswitch only has 6 buttons. There's no way in hell I'll be able to narrow it down to my 6 favourite tones on this amp. No sir.

Get a Behringer FCB1010 or Rolls MidiBuddy. The JVM is a midi-capable amp.

But yeah, the JVM has to be THE best Marshall IMO if you want an amp to play Jazz, Blues, rock, hard rock, and metal with one amp. Hell, just a few quick mods and you can have one of THE most accurate JCM800 copies.

[SSK0909]

Thanks guys.

Tough decision though. I simply dont have the budget or the need for two 4 channel heads.

So do i choose the deadly precision of the VH4 or the rowdy nature of the JVM?

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Originally Posted by SSK0909

Thanks guys.

Tough decision though. I simply dont have the budget or the need for two 4 channel heads.

So do i choose the deadly precision of the VH4 or the rowdy nature of the JVM?

Middle groud; JVM210.

2 channels (CH1 being Clean and Crunch of the JVM4, and CH2 being OD2).

[Sepultorture]

that's your call mate, do you prefer a NASTY Marshall tone with tonnes of capabilites, or the hifi dry sounding nature of the VH4, two completely different beast brother

[SSK0909]

Would there be any alternatives to the JVM?

DSL's go super cheap here, they go for about 530€ used.

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Originally Posted by SSK0909

Would there be any alternatives to the JVM?

DSL's go super cheap here, they go for about 530€ used.

The DSL and TSL are probably the closest thing to a JVM, but as I said above, a JVM just sounds like it can handle high-gain better on its own, IMO. But they can get some tighter, heavy tones with a boost.

[casketshrine]

I was planning on getting the JVM410 but for home playing and recording it'd be too much. So now I am getting a JVM 205H. I might just go with the combo but so far it's the head. I'm getting it for a pretty reasonable price too around $1000, brand new.

I already have a real hard time with my Laney when I play at home. 410 would have been a bit of a handful. I might sell my Laney later and get a DSL 50 as well.

[SSK0909]

I think the OD1 channel on the JVM410 appeals more to me than OD2.

OD2 sounds pretty scooped and un-Marshall to me, but it could just be youtube.

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Originally Posted by SSK0909

I think the OD1 channel on the JVM410 appeals more to me than OD2.

OD2 sounds pretty scooped and un-Marshall to me, but it could just be youtube.

From what I believe, the scoop in OD2 is very minor.

Is this the video you heard?





And whats wrong with owning 2 different 4CH amps? The Diezel and Marshall are two different beasts, but very versatile. The Diezel has its own tone, the Marshall does too. You'll just have even more versatility.

[SSK0909]

Originally Posted by HeHasTheJazzHands

From what I believe, the scoop in OD2 is very minor.

Is this the video you heard?





And whats wrong with owning 2 different 4CH amps? The Diezel and Marshall are two different beasts, but very versatile. The Diezel has its own tone, the Marshall does too. You'll just have even more versatility.

I've heard the last one. Definately not a tone for me

But I'm not much of a metal head. I play Hard rock, punk and the occasional oldschool metal. Djent and anything thats got death og core in its name is not for me

I can't have two 4 channel heads because of space and economical limitaions sadly

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

I'm a little lost... You can't have two because they might be too big? Or am I missing something...

From what I understand, the JVM4 is pretty much the same size as any other Marshall head. You can see here that its the same size as a Marshall DSL. Its not a huge gargantuan brick wall like he Diezel VH4.



But since you say you're not much into heavy stuff, the DSL may be good for you. It's not going to be as gainy, but since you don't need all that gain, it should be fitting.

[SSK0909]

Originally Posted by HeHasTheJazzHands

I'm a little lost... You can't have two because they might be too big? Or am I missing something...

From what I understand, the JVM4 is pretty much the same size as any other Marshall head. You can see here that its the same size as a Marshall DSL. Its not a huge gargantuan brick wall like he Diezel VH4.



But since you say you're not much into heavy stuff, the DSL may be good for you. It's not going to be as gainy, but since you don't need all that gain, it should be fitting.

The space issue is a little difficult to understand, so I can see why you would be confused

The only space i have is atop a dresser. Where i have a 2x12 cab and then the Diezel atop it. So putting an extra head atop the diezel wouldnt be a good idea. Should it fall it would be like a 5,10 fall to the ground, and i doubt the dresser kan hold the massive weight.

Hope that explains something

[Wizard of Ozz]

I'm not a fan of the JVM series at all. The distortion sounds really thin, bright, and fake... like a running a metal zone in to a small solid state 1X12 Peavey Bandit. Not nice smooth, warm, and thick... like most other high gain tube amps. It's got a ton of cool features, and is laid out nice... but I don't like the gain voicing, especially on the 2 high gain channels.

The clean and crunch channels are nice.

Get the Diezel VH4. No contest to me really.

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Originally Posted by Wizard of Ozz

I'm not a fan of the JVM series at all. The distortion sounds really thin, bright, and fake... like a running a metal zone in to a small solid state 1X12 Peavey Bandit. Not nice smooth, warm, and thick... like most other high gain tube amps. It's got a ton of cool features, and is laid out nice... but I don't like the gain voicing, especially on the 2 high gain channels.

The clean and crunch channels are nice.

Get the Diezel VH4. No contest to me really.

Never heard of it described like that all. I've always thought of them as very hot-rodded JCM800's.

And he already has a Diezel.

[wakjob]

If someone finds the JVM "thin", they need to turn it up.

Marshall's are a different beast. Not like most "modern" or "hifi" amps. Ya need to get that PI working. That's where the magic happens.

[SSK0909]

Originally Posted by wakjob

If someone finds the JVM "thin", they need to turn it up.

Marshall's are a different beast. Not like most "modern" or "hifi" amps. Ya need to get that PI working. That's where the magic happens.

Especially true for the older Marshalls, if a JCM800 ends up as a bedroom amp, you're going to need a big ass bedroom

[Kwirk]

I HATED every Marshall I ever tried until I really sat down with a JVM. This includes an JCM800. So much crunch on that.

[wakjob]

Originally Posted by Kwirk

I HATED every Marshall I ever tried until I really sat down with a JVM. This includes an JCM800. So much crunch on that.

Ummm...is crunch a bad thing?

I have a JCM 800 circa 86' (2204). And I had to do a few mild mods to get it to my liking. There is SO much variability in Marshall's of the same model.

I would love a JVM to add to my collection.

[Kwirk]

I meant the JVM had a lot of crunch. In a good way.

[wakjob]

Originally Posted by Kwirk

I meant the JVM had a lot of crunch. In a good way.

AH! Gotch ya.

[IkarusOnFire]

I saw Opeth some while ago, and their other guitarist uses it on stage. I myself was quite surprised by it's versatility. To me, it has the best clean, and the best distortion I've heard in a marshall amp before. It's not very expensive, considering what the triple recs, kings, bogner and diezel (and whatnot) goes for. It's like buying a 5150 for to take on tour because it just works well for metal...the 410 just works for more

In the end though...if you have a diezel, you should only go for the jvm if you don't like your tone on the diezel. My two cents

[SSK0909]

Originally Posted by IkarusOnFire

I saw Opeth some while ago, and their other guitarist uses it on stage. I myself was quite surprised by it's versatility. To me, it has the best clean, and the best distortion I've heard in a marshall amp before. It's not very expensive, considering what the triple recs, kings, bogner and diezel (and whatnot) goes for. It's like buying a 5150 for to take on tour because it just works well for metal...the 410 just works for more

In the end though...if you have a diezel, you should only go for the jvm if you don't like your tone on the diezel. My two cents

Doesn't the guitarist from Opeth use pedals for his distortion though?

Something tells me you're the guy who offered me a Road King for trade with my Diezel on a Danish forum right?