[Naren]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

I've got a Whammy pedal. They seemed to have hidden it somewhere in my GNX3000 pedal, though.

That said, I never really use it. I'm sort of an effects minimalist, I guess. Have fun with it, dude. They are whacky.

I used to be an effects maniac (as I'm sure you know from some of our songs where I used like 8 effects throughout one song), but nowadays I'm mostly just clean and distortion with the occasional wah-wah pedal.

But that reminds me, lately I've been thinking about buying a GNX4, but I've been worried about a few things. One of the reasons I never use my other effects processor (I forget what it's called. I bet you remember since you have one as well) is because, when I hook it up to a different amp, it sounds completely different in a very bad way. Is the GNX4 that way as well? My processor sounded like absolute shit when I bought a new amp and played it through that. Once we EQed to the PA system, it sounded like shit on my amp at home. Is the GNX series better at that? (In Japan, all bands practice in studios where you use their amps. You usually can pick which amp you use, but sometimes you can't. I usually use the Marshall JCM900 because it gets me the best overall tone and sound out of the amps there, but I might have to use a completely different amp. With regular pedals, even with a different amp, my guitar will sound MOSTLY the same.). Also, how much do they usually cost new?

[The Dark Wolf]

Your old pedal was one of the newer RPs (although not the very newest). I have one of those, too.

The GNX4 and 3000 have a much better sound for that sort of thing. The old RPs and GNX3 had only a global speaker compensation - in other words, you could make it sound good through an amp, but then it would suck through a PA (too bright/harsh). And if the speaker outputs were set for a PA, then it sounded too dark/muddy through an amp.

The newest RPs and the GNX3000 use A) 2 types of speaker outputs, 1 for PAs, one for amps, and B) completely new hardware and software for modelled amp sounds. The GNX4 uses the old hardware/software, but it too is optimized for dual amp/PA use, with selectable outputs.

That's basically the whole reason I got a GNX3000. MY GNX3, which I love, doesn't have that. Since I use amp and PA setups, the GNX3K was the right choice for me.

A GNX4 new is... about $500 US, I think. The GNX3000 is $350. The new RP350 is $200 (this has the newest, most powerful chip, and the best modelling software, but the GNX3000 is more versatile and has more raw "horsepower". The GNX4 is the most versatile of them all.

[Naren]

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

Your old pedal was one of the newer RPs (although not the very newest). I have one of those, too.

The GNX4 and 3000 have a much better sound for that sort of thing. The old RPs and GNX3 had only a global speaker compensation - in other words, you could make it sound good through an amp, but then it would suck through a PA (too bright/harsh). And if the speaker outputs were set for a PA, then it sounded too dark/muddy through an amp.

The newest RPs and the GNX3000 use A) 2 types of speaker outputs, 1 for PAs, one for amps, and B) completely new hardware and software for modelled amp sounds. The GNX4 uses the old hardware/software, but it too is optimized for dual amp/PA use, with selectable outputs.

That's basically the whole reason I got a GNX3000. MY GNX3, which I love, doesn't have that. Since I use amp and PA setups, the GNX3K was the right choice for me.

A GNX4 new is... about $500 US, I think. The GNX3000 is $350. The new RP350 is $200 (this has the newest, most powerful chip, and the best modelling software, but the GNX3000 is more versatile and has more raw "horsepower". The GNX4 is the most versatile of them all.

I vastly prefer the sound of the GNX series over the RP series. GNX just has better amp models, more effects, and I like how it has 6 or so pedals for individual effects in addition to the up/down pedals (the RP just has the up/down pedals).

Which would you recommend? GNX4 or GNX3000? I already know they both sound great and what I want. So, my next criteria is which one would have better compatibility from amp-to-amp. I would assume that'd be the GNX4 since you said it's the most versatile. Do you know what exactly is better in the GNX4?

Thanks for the answers. That really helps me out.

[7 Dying Trees]

Actually, i am not a major fan of too many effects, i prefer a dry rythm tone, and only add a smattering of delay for lead. Having said that, delay with a shitload of chorus gets you that morbid angel pinch harmonic like a needle in the ear thang

Wah and whammy is fun, just adds flavour to everything (or lack of at the moment, as the whammy is too much fun!)

Also love it being in a metal casing as i destroy things!

I am a fan of seperate pedals when it comes to footcontrollable effects, just so that you have the option of whacking it on and off. Also find that a wah makes a good filter for soloing, can really do cool things to the tone and liven it up, ie, make it piercing!

But for general effects i like multi effects!

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

I want a 'feedbacker'!

Ok, I probably don't. But it sounds cool.

get an e-bow, now those things are cool for creating textures! And get a feedbacker, i've never quite got on with them in multieffects, and they are a bit weird, especially as amp produced feedback always sounds better to me, plus you get that vibe anathema had on their mid career albums, nice controlled musical feedback

Originally Posted by The Dark Wolf

James, I suck for partially derailing your thread. Back to the Whammy!

Chaos and derailment are all good!

[The Dark Wolf]

I use alot of effects, but... well, not in the whacky sense. In the studio sense.

1. I use a buttload of EQ. Always have. I use a pre-EQ, I use the effects on-board EQ, I use PA EQ, and I use a stereo graphic EQ that I use after all that.
2. I use compression, liberally (but tastefully).
3. I use multiple noise gates.

After all that stuff, for basic effects, I'm just like you pretty much, James. (Only different. Sorry, couldn't resist. ) But I like a dry rhythm tone for distortion. Only, I use (ALWAYS) a stereo chorus, that makes it sound like a double tracked guitar. You can't tell there's chorus, it just sounds much "bigger", like a double tracked guitar on an album. For lead, like you, I use a bit of delay. But I also come from the EVH school, so I use a bit of reverb, too. (Although nothing like the copious amounts he uses.) For cleans, I go with the gamut, generally - chorus, delay, and reverb. But minimal amounts of all. Sometimes I just go for a jazzy dry tone, though. And finally, for piezo, I use a modelled acoustic sound, and reverb.

So, I use alot, but then again, I don't. And I never really use anything else. Every once in awhile a litlte wah wah for leads.

I'm sure you found that fucking fascinating!

[ohio_eric]

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

That is the most metal ice cream ever!

Whammy pedals are damn cool. I love em because I worship Tom Morello. But I've heard lots of artisits do amazing things with them. They get a bad rap sometimes because some guitar players leave it set on 2 octaves up and just use it to torture the neighbor's dog.

[Lozek]

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

Actually, i am not a major fan of too many effects, i prefer a dry rythm tone, and only add a smattering of delay for lead.

Don't forget the rotary speaker part that I'm being forced to play

[Ancestor]

I really enjoyed mine while I had it. I ran it in front of my comptortion, so there was no noise. They are actually practical in some situations. I think that you'll enjoy it. If nothing else, that two octave sweep is useful for waking people up or punishing the drummer when he's acting the fool.

[7 Dying Trees]

Originally Posted by ohio_eric

That is the most metal ice cream ever!

Whammy pedals are damn cool. I love em because I worship Tom Morello. But I've heard lots of artisits do amazing things with them. They get a bad rap sometimes because some guitar players leave it set on 2 octaves up and just use it to torture the neighbor's dog.

I just [plan to torture the neighbours, no dog involved

Originally Posted by Lozek

Don't forget the rotary speaker part that I'm being forced to play

Ah yes, but that's you having to play it, not me I think it's a tremelo, not rotary speaker, but am not sure (Although i should really know, shouldn't I)

Originally Posted by Ancestor

I really enjoyed mine while I had it. I ran it in front of my comptortion, so there was no noise. They are actually practical in some situations. I think that you'll enjoy it. If nothing else, that two octave sweep is useful for waking people up or punishing the drummer when he's acting the fool.

Punishment without cause upon everyone is also justifyable

[The Dark Wolf]

Man, I wish I had thought of using the Whammy when I needed to punish my old drummer. And bass player. And singer. And other guitar player.


WEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE!!!!