6505+, cleans + versatility?????

[goatLuke]

So my question is what could I do to make my 6505+ more versatile. I play all sorts of metal. Thrash, Death, hardcore, metal-core whatever. But I dabble with some other styles occasionally and really am looking to accomplish some nice cleans and a couple effects on my leads possibly a little boosted but maybe not entirely necessary. The biggest thing is I want it as simple as possible as in 1 button switching. As of now I play my rhythms and leads on the 2nd channel(red) because I like the voicing much better.

So do I

1. buy another amp head cause it cant be accomplished with the 6505+

2. Buy a chorus, delay, reverb, and use those to make the clean channel more useable in a loop or something. (but then how do I make it 1 button switching or do I shut up and live with 2 )

3. g major or the like but I am clueless on their useage

4. pod of some type?

5. I have the chance to pick up and axe ultra pretty cheap locally with a footswitch and use that in the effects loop for some effects and cleans. I dont really want to go all digital as I am really happy with the 6505+ distortion. (keep in mind cheap is really a little more than I want to go but I could probably do it if its entirely the best and simplest option)

Sorry to be so longwinded and leave so many options, i am just not sure what way to go and none of the options are really cheap. So yah help me out please . Dont beat me up too bad.

[Philligan]

I honestly really don't mind the cleans on my 5150 at all. I scoop the mids out a little bit and boost the highs a bit and use the neck pickup and I'd say it even sounds good. I'm not doing "metal" cleans either, I'm talking like jazz/blues tones. Maybe it's just me

I think a lot of the reason people say 5150s' cleans suck is because of the global EQ. It's hard to dial in a good high gain tone and use that same EQ curve to get a good clean tone. But you've got the second EQ so it shouldn't be an issue.

Try keeping the Pre low, bass around noon, mids around 10 o'clock, and highs around maybe 1:00 or 2:00. And the bright switch should be on.

What guitar/pickups are you using?

EDIT: The Axe-Fx would be awesome, however. And it has a 5150 model, so it could conceivably end up totally replacing your 6505+.

[goatLuke]

I have tried a lot to get good cleans out of it using the green channel eq specifically for the cleans and just have never really been satisfied at all. ATM all of my guitars are emg equipped with 85's,81's and a 60 in the necks.

im very interested in, but also scared of the axe. mostly afraid that I will get so into dialing in different patches that I wont play guitar but mess with it way too much.

if the axe was to replace my amp head and I get a tube power amp how would it stack up in a 2 guitar band with the OP playing a tube head still?

[budda]

Originally Posted by goatLuke

I have tried a lot to get good cleans out of it using the green channel eq specifically for the cleans and just have never really been satisfied at all. ATM all of my guitars are emg equipped with 85's,81's and a 60 in the necks.

That might have something to do with it

[Atomshipped]

What's your definition of "stack up"? It would definitely be loud enough and sound good.

[goatLuke]

Originally Posted by budda

That might have something to do with it

I know emg's arent the best but I used to get real nice cleans with the same guitars and pickups through my dsl 100.

[goatLuke]

Originally Posted by Atomshipped

What's your definition of "stack up"? It would definitely be loud enough and sound good.

just wondering how it would sound in the mix live. As that is my main use for my rig is rehersing and performing live.

[jrg828]

i bought a used gmajor off ebay, and a behringer fcb1010, and i can get pretty much any sound i want outa them but if your looking for 1 switch channel changing, i'de buy an RJM Music mini amp gizmo and the supported 6505+ cable they make. it operates the peavey via the mini amp gizmo, and can control the gmajors effects. i never was really a fan of having 50 pedals on the floor, in a live setting anyways. it's nice at home, but its really stressful on stage

[bradthelegend]

Originally Posted by goatLuke

2. Buy a chorus, delay, reverb, and use those to make the clean channel more useable in a loop or something. (but then how do I make it 1 button switching or do I shut up and live with 2 )

The reverb and delay can be run through the amp's effects loop. Using the Peavey's footswitch will accomplish your "1 button switching" dilemma. Use the chorus in front of the amp; when you want to use it, step on it. Unless you're wanting to run all of your effects at once, it shouldn't be a problem. You could always buy an expensive pedal switcher with different loops for different pedals, but it would probably just be easier to have to step on a couple of pedals every now and then.

[Philligan]

Originally Posted by goatLuke

I have tried a lot to get good cleans out of it using the green channel eq specifically for the cleans and just have never really been satisfied at all. ATM all of my guitars are emg equipped with 85's,81's and a 60 in the necks.

im very interested in, but also scared of the axe. mostly afraid that I will get so into dialing in different patches that I wont play guitar but mess with it way too much.

if the axe was to replace my amp head and I get a tube power amp how would it stack up in a 2 guitar band with the OP playing a tube head still?

It's a lot to take in, especially at first, and it definitely encourages lots of tweaking, but with the Pod I was using, I found I'd get a good main patch dialed in and pretty much left it. I'd definitely mess around with it longer when I wanted to find a new tone, but I wouldn't say it interfered with my playing. If anything, it encouraged me to try new stuff because I could get a lot of different tones that you can't really do with a single amp.

If you run the Axe-Fx through a tube poweramp and cab, no one will know you're playing through a modeler. The amp simulation is basically the best in the industry (with the possible exception of the Kemper ) and you have even more tone shaping options, so you'll definitely be able to stand up to your other guitar player. If you find you're not cutting through enough and EQ isn't helping, try a new amp sim

[Stealthdjentstic]

A/B the 6505 with a POD.

[op1e]

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

A/B the 6505 with a POD.

This. A simple Pod 2.0 for cheap, great cleans can be had. Run it into the return. Hit your fx loop on the FS, it bypasses the head's pre. Or do what I did and get a gsp1101/Control 2. Little more money, but nice fx that can be called up stompbox style + an amp loop that can be turned on/off for either modelling or your amp's tone.

[7stringDemon]

Best way to get good cleans on a 5150/6505 is to buy a second, cheap ass solid state head with decent cleans to put on top of it then switch between the two amps with a stomp of some kind.

[DavidLopezJr]

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

A/B the 6505 with a POD.

4cm works as well this way.

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Originally Posted by 7stringDemon

Best way to get good cleans on a 5150/6505 is to buy a second, cheap ass solid state head with decent cleans to put on top of it then switch between the two amps with a stomp of some kind.

I actually agree with this.

You could find an old Roland JC-77 or JC-60 for around $200 - $300, and buy a A/B box.

[incinerated_guitar]

Could go the Tc electronics G system route. I know ill be saving up to buy one as soon as I get my 5150

[mike0]

Originally Posted by 7stringDemon

Best way to get good cleans on a 5150/6505 is to buy a second, cheap ass solid state head with decent cleans to put on top of it then switch between the two amps with a stomp of some kind.

I did this with my 5150 and a jc-120. The sound i got was great, but it was a bitch hauling both around everywhere. Looking back it wasn't THAT bad, just annoying. I'd recommend going with a pod unless you don't mind carrying around multiple amps

[goatLuke]

well i am already carrying the head and a rack case with a wireless, a tuner, and a decimator pro rack, a power conditioner, and a tubescreamer mounted in the bottom. I went all rack cause I love the simplicity of it and that there is nothing on the floor to mess with as im not a fan of a lot of pedal stomping.

so that pretty much kills the 2nd head. maybe I should suck it up and go all digital, or buy a different amp head that is a little more versatile.

the gsp or the tc electronics w/a footswitch seems like a little too much money.

decisions, decisions. would love to hear some more opinions.

[Luafcm]

Agreed with the second solid state head. I like to use a JC-120H for clean and the 6505+ Rythm and Lead for what they were intended. I find the problem is that I always have a maxon od-808 in front of the Peavey, and the crunch is always on my rythm channel. Too many buttons to hit at once to switch from dirt to clean!

I also prefer G12T-75's in a Marshall 1960 cab over the typical V30 setup. I like 2 V30's for my stereo JC-120H. It's a big rig, but I don't have lady parts.



...I should add, I can split all three of my cabs stereo. I can easily run the two heads into the 2x12 , or both into the 4x12. I'm going to setup the compact Marshall 4x12 with 2 stereo V30's and a pair of mono G12T-75's. No one likes carrying multiple cabs around! lol

[incinerated_guitar]

Originally Posted by goatLuke

well i am already carrying the head and a rack case with a wireless, a tuner, and a decimator pro rack, a power conditioner, and a tubescreamer mounted in the bottom. I went all rack cause I love the simplicity of it and that there is nothing on the floor to mess with as im not a fan of a lot of pedal stomping.

so that pretty much kills the 2nd head. maybe I should suck it up and go all digital, or buy a different amp head that is a little more versatile.

the gsp or the tc electronics w/a footswitch seems like a little too much money.

decisions, decisions. would love to hear some more opinions.

The TC G System IS a footswitch. It sits at your feet and controls everything, including effects

[Underworld]

Get an EVH 5150 III mini. Awesome cleans, original 5150's lead channel, 1000$ brand new. Thank me later

[Matx]

Yea, I'd just suggest a 12at7 in the clean channel gain slot, and careful tone settings on your guitar. Roll it down and the cleans on the 6505 are definitely useable, though I can't honestly say I'm impressed with them. Great amp for what it does.

[goatLuke]

Originally Posted by Matx

Yea, I'd just suggest a 12at7 in the clean channel gain slot, and careful tone settings on your guitar. Roll it down and the cleans on the 6505 are definitely useable, though I can't honestly say I'm impressed with them. Great amp for what it does.

well thats easy enough to try. any specific brand tube better that you know of?

[incinerated_guitar]

Originally Posted by goatLuke

well thats easy enough to try. any specific brand tube better that you know of?

JJ

[goatLuke]

jj 12 at7 on the way. see it it helps. worth a shot for $10.00