Kemper Profiling Amp Thread

[Adam Of Angels]

So, while I really don't fully understand how this thing works yet, I'm really excited to see where this technology goes in the future.

[walleye]

can you guys comment on the tone controls and parameters? with a profile, how does it fare when you then want to tweak the eq etc. ?

[Eaten]

[AlexWadeWC]

Originally Posted by walleye

can you guys comment on the tone controls and parameters? with a profile, how does it fare when you then want to tweak the eq etc. ?

Although you make the best attempt to capture the tone you want by tweaking the original amp before capturing the profile, the tonal controls are very responsive and there are a lot options. Aside from gain, bass, mid, treble, and presence there is "definition", "clarity", "pick attack", a graphic EQ, power sagging and tube bias, etc. etc.

Even if you capture a profile for a high gain amp with the gain at like 12 or 1:00 on the real amp, when you dial the gain control on the Kemper back it actually cleans up like the real amp would, pretty crazy stuff.

I'm pretty positive we will be using Mark's profile of his Diezel Herbert and Mesa Oversized cab miced with an SM57, it sounds so monsterous but clear it's just insane.

[Fred the Shred]

Actually, if you would be so kind to share said Herbert profile, that would be quite awesome (and save me a monster headache profiling a friend's amp).

[Albionic]

for this thing to catch on surely there must at some point be a profile library.

i also see potential for profile swapping/trading nothing to stop you profiling all your friends amps.

i dare say people will set up ebay shops selling profiles.

not sure where this leaves the likes of marshall mesa fender etc. from a copywrite point of view.perhaps they will sell high quality profiles of their own amps and try to prevent others copying in the same way record companies do with music.

[Andromalia]

[Fred the Shred]

Hahaha!

Apples and oranges - it takes a number of profiles per amp to take advantage of its possibilities to the fullest, and it is a capture of that amp using those setting that can be tweaked. It's not a replacement in that sense, unless you are a masochist and plan of doing 321654 profiles per amp to REALLY NAIL ALL NUANCES.

[Hallic]

made with only presets on the kemper.

[Hallic]

Originally Posted by Albionic

for this thing to catch on surely there must at some point be a profile library.

i also see potential for profile swapping/trading nothing to stop you profiling all your friends amps.

i dare say people will set up ebay shops selling profiles.

not sure where this leaves the likes of marshall mesa fender etc. from a copywrite point of view.perhaps they will sell high quality profiles of their own amps and try to prevent others copying in the same way record companies do with music.

i find it really odd u would consider the 'profile' copyrighted by marschall,mesa,fender, by that logic all recoded sounds from those amps would be owned by those compagnies and not the musicians who produce the sound.

[Andromalia]

Yeah I don't see that kind of argument holding any water, Marshall ai'nt demanding royalties from all music recorded with them. I'd actually see more reason for them to sue Fractal who is replicating the amps digitally than the Kemper who is actually just a very sophisticated recording apparatus. What you do afterwards with the recorded stuff is your own business.

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

And don't forget companies like Ceriatone and Metro for making exact copies of them amp. :P

[Albionic]

[QUOTE=Hallic;2867371]i find it really odd u would consider the 'profile' copyrighted by marschall,mesa,fender, by that logic all recoded sounds from those amps would be owned by those compagnies and not the musicians who produce the sound.[/

I am pretty excited by the kemper. Perhaps I worded my post badly I wasn't trying to be negative I see a possible profile library as a good thing.

What I really mean is if modelling and profiling is the future (and I believe it is)where does that leave the big amp companies?

[Larrikin666]

[QUOTE=Albionic;2867592]

Originally Posted by Hallic

What I really mean is if modelling and profiling is the future (and I believe it is)where does that leave the big amp companies?

You have to know that "future" is a LONG ways off...if it's ever going to happen. The adoption rate for new technology amongst musicians is incredibly slow. There are a lot of people out there who don't want to invest the time and effort to learn how to use something new. As popular and the Axe-FX is and the Kemper might be eventually, it's still not a 1:1 transition for most musicians. It requires a significant time invest to really master tools like these. That's one of the things I love about new technology. I like tweaking. I like living on forums with other users who come up with interesting ways of getting the most out of gear. That's not something that everyone on the planet wants to do. Most musicians want to plug it in, play, no BS. I can respect that.

It's probably similar to personal computers. With the advent of smartphones and notebooks....you have to figure that desktops will become extinct one day. It's certainly something that is a distinct possibility, but Dell probably know there's going to be a market for their desktop long enough for them to adjust as that era comes to a close. It's not going to be something that happens overnight.

[slapnutz]

Originally Posted by Eaten

Also you can download his "profile" file here.
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[revclay]

Originally Posted by Hallic

What I really mean is if modelling and profiling is the future (and I believe it is)where does that leave the big amp companies?

In the case of profiling, the future is still with amp manufacturers. Profiles can't be made if there is nothing to profile. Technology like the AxeFX is a greater threat since, in theory, the AxeFX can be programmed to sound completely unique and not like a carbon copy of an existing amp. While the AxeFX technology has been used to mimic real amps, its power lies in the fact that different amps and components can be mixed and matched virtually to create a sound that would be hard to create using one real amp. Just my two cents.

[Andromalia]

Well Fractal has already been at it, the FAS amps are pure digital creations. "Carbon copying" an amp model seems a bit stupid for me as two amps of the same model and revision can sound noticeably different depending on tubes and user mods.
I couldn't care less if either FAS stuff or the Kemper don't sound 100% like amp X as long as they sound good. Besides you still can buy amp X if you're unhappy.

[th3m1ke]

Originally Posted by Fred the Shred

Actually, if you would be so kind to share said Herbert profile, that would be quite awesome (and save me a monster headache profiling a friend's amp).

It's actually their producers Kemper and beside having it under constant video monitoring, I believe he has a clause in the recording contract saying "thou shalt not share my tones, settings or techniques without being subjected to scrotal electricution." Sadly, I think Alex needs his balls

Originally Posted by Andromalia

Well Fractal has already been at it, the FAS amps are pure digital creations. "Carbon copying" an amp model seems a bit stupid for me as two amps of the same model and revision can sound noticeably different depending on tubes and user mods.
I couldn't care less if either FAS stuff or the Kemper don't sound 100% like amp X as long as they sound good. Besides you still can buy amp X if you're unhappy.

Abso-freaking-lutely. If it sounds good, I don't care what the hell it's modeled after as long as Im happy with the tone.

[HighGain510]

Originally Posted by Andromalia

I don't think music stores have anything to worry about, you'd have to set up a bunch of equipment in the store so you could profile the amps and I doubt most stores would be cool with that unless they wanted a demo of the Kemper.

[Andromalia]

I know, that was a joke. ^^

[HighGain510]

[Animus]

Originally Posted by Jzbass25

I can't express how much I doubt the kempler can beat the axe. it seems like a more advanced form of what most cheaper digital preamps do where it just captures waveforms. The whole point of the axefx is accurate digital recreation of all the components which can get you much closer to feel, tone, and shaping like the real amp. But there are a lot of variables, math and processing power needed.

From most every example I have seen the Kemper owns the AxeFX in a big way, regardless of how many parts AxeFX models. Tone is not a bunch of parts, its monolithic, which the Kemper seems to capture the more true soul of. I was pretty skeptical at first bu† after seeing it in action it's pretty amazing.

[Stealthdjentstic]

I won't be getting one but I think it's a pretty cool idea and I hope it drives down prices for used AFX's

[loktide]

profiling a recto:

http://www.facebook.com/v/10150591953649431

[Hallic]

Originally Posted by loktide

profiling a recto:

http://www.facebook.com/v/10150591953649431

exactly what he said!