Kemper Profiling Amp Thread

[petereanima]

Originally Posted by cardinal

Agreed. I have an AFXII as well, and the cab sims are the weakest link, IMHO. I'm so frustrated with them that I just go through a real cab now, even though I bought the thing for the specific purpose of using it with the cab sims. Not knocking Fractal; the Fractal IRs sound better to me than the Redwirez or Ownhammers, but I really wish there were something better out there. Maybe it's Two Notes. Maybe it doesn't exist yet.

True. Same here actually. I bought it mainly to use as effects processor with my Diezel, and also to send the Diezel sound with cab-sims fromt he Axe to the FOH when playing live...unfortunately, this is exactly what does NOT work very well with the Axe...so meanwhile I use it only for recording, not live.

[demoniaco]

I have both options... real cab and frfr.... I wasnt liking the frfr until the latest forum. Its sounding truly as a mic;ed amp but with all the fullness of a real cab. Its amazing really. Did a test recording my cab with my interface and comparing it with the sound coming from the powered speaker with the cab sims.... pretty nice axtually! Apparently you cant go just with the cab sim IR... there are other elements involved that need to be taken in consideration and this happened with the axe now.

I agree with minddusk

[Rook]

Originally Posted by Larrikin666

I'm pretty sure your math is flawed. There are a few people on this site who only use their Axe-FX as an effects processor. That's also how I started out using mine. I'm sure there are users or potential users out there who would like a lower cost unit dedicated to only modeling, but that's the minority.

As did I, I bought my Ultra for the FX and thought 'hold on a second, these amp models sound awesome, and I don't need to change tubes/carry a heavy amp around/need a cab/need to worry about voltages and crap/etc' and made the switch.

If the Axe didn't have FX, I wouldn't have bought it because I'd still be looking at processors and junk and it wouldn't be the complete solution it is.

The Kemper.... I have trouble believing it can effectively listen to an amp and come out feeling just like it. I'd love to try one, people here will know when I find something I like I'm the first to sell up and jump ship, but I have limited expectations.

[MindDusk]

Originally Posted by HighGain510

I heard rumors all over the place (probably not true, but who knows) that Kemper was working on a rack-mounted unit since so many people proclaimed their dislike for the form factor. My question is does the Kemper NEED to be as big as the current model, or could they squeeze all that into a 2U or 4U form factor?

A rack model would be prefect..I would strongly prefer it...

[Jzbass25]

I can't express how much I doubt the kempler can beat the axe. it seems like a more advanced form of what most cheaper digital preamps do where it just captures waveforms. The whole point of the axefx is accurate digital recreation of all the components which can get you much closer to feel, tone, and shaping like the real amp. But there are a lot of variables, math and processing power needed.

[MindDusk]

Originally Posted by Jzbass25

I can't express how much I doubt the kempler can beat the axe. it seems like a more advanced form of what most cheaper digital preamps do where it just captures waveforms. The whole point of the axefx is accurate digital recreation of all the components which can get you much closer to feel, tone, and shaping like the real amp. But there are a lot of variables, math and processing power needed.

To fully compare them you need to disable the mic/cab simulations and just use it in a regular speaker.. but I think most digital amps fail in the mic/cab simulation. I think it more a matter of lack of processor power, to simulate mic/cab takes a lot more processor power, and while we are having the processor power now since Core i7 to simulate for instance real tubes...wave arts tube saturator is a good example..we also have the power to simulate mic and cabinet..the problem is..that no company focus on doing an algorithmic solution..and it is very strange why...it is a lot of focus to emulate tubes and pre amps... eqs.. compressor and other analog equipment, but not mics/cabinets...

[Jzbass25]

Originally Posted by MindDusk

To fully compare them you need to disable the mic/cab simulations and just use it in a regular speaker.. but I think most digital amps fail in the mic/cab simulation. I think it more a matter of lack of processor power, to simulate mic/cab takes a lot more processor power, and while we are having the processor power now since Core i7 to simulate for instance real tubes...wave arts tube saturator is a good example..we also have the power to simulate mic and cabinet..the problem is..that no company focus on doing an algorithmic solution..and it is very strange why...it is a lot of focus to emulate tubes and pre amps... eqs.. compressor and other analog equipment, but not mics/cabinets...

True, I just think the kemper amp is so 1 dimensional in it's design. But I must like the ability to play with the eq and have it react realilistically. I haven't had much time wight the axe but it did a pretty good job most of the time

[Pedrojoca]

Amaazing, it's cheap as hell for what it does. Can anyone confirm if this does cab impulse respondses too?

KEMPER PROFILING AMPLIFIER - Thomann Cyberstore Português

[Az_Spirit_Crusher]

I'm still Fractal fan.

[SSK0909]

Really impressive technology. This could go far beyond modeling.

However, it's going to be a hassle to get new tones unless you sneak it into your local guitar store

How many amp clone/copy/emulations can be kept in this thing?

[Andromalia]

I think given its price point it will have some success, but I wonder how they are going to cope up with the massive orders a website like thomann can induce. The fractal waiting list might be tiny in comparison.
That product has no appeal for me, I don't own any amps anymore except for a pocket H&K and the form factor is a big deterrent, too.

The only thing it has over the fractal offerings is the ability to turn more than one knob at once. I guess it can be interesting for the "can't afford axe fx" crowd, provided the included banks are plentiful enough and people share their patches. Since the axe fx can now build home impulses it closed up the biggest gap there was with the kemper in terms of features for people not owning amps already.

[Albionic]

not sure why people have to bring up fractal

people perhaps worried that their top of the range doohicky is no longer the best thing out there?

[Bevo]

I think competition is good, it makes every company better and the trickle down effect when new stuff comes out will make good quality affordable.

Right now its just getting rolling, in a few months there will some great sites and tools available for it to get you whatever you wan't, not to mention see the samples/patches people come up with.

[Joelan]

This and the Axe-FX are pretty different pieces of kit...

The Axe-FX is a preamp and multi-FX unit that happens to contain models of other popular amps, whereas this unit duplicates real amps. This Kemper Profiler definitely looks very cool, but I can't see how this replaces an Axe-FX or how the Axe-FX would replace it.

This would definitely be useful for someone who owns and loves a bunch of amps, and wishes they could use them all live. I can't see an Axe-FX really satisfying someone that wishes that.

I dunno about the rest of you but I don't use the Axe-FX to try and get the exact tone of a real amp, I just use it to get a range of great tones that may or may not be 100% faithful to the real thing.

[Rook]

^That, long as it sounds good I don't care if it sounds like something real.

In fact the prospect of having something that sounds totally unlike anything real is quite attractive.

Back on topic, that's a very reasonable price. It's not for me, but if this can work it's way into high street guitar stores, that'd be a real achievement and I'd love to try one.

[ampoverload]

Originally Posted by SSK0909

Really impressive technology. This could go far beyond modeling.

However, it's going to be a hassle to get new tones unless you sneak it into your local guitar store

How many amp clone/copy/emulations can be kept in this thing?

i thought i heard up to 1000 different profiles. im not sure.

and i think they said they are going to try and set up a website or something to share files of different amp tones and stuff. which would be awesome.

[KAMI]

shame it looks like a radio form the 50's.....

[Albionic]

Originally Posted by KAMI

shame it looks like a radio form the 50's.....

i think captain kirk had one on the bridge of the enterprise

[Deadnightshade]

Originally Posted by Fun111

^That, long as it sounds good I don't care if it sounds like something real.

In fact the prospect of having something that sounds totally unlike anything real is quite attractive.

Back on topic, that's a very reasonable price. It's not for me, but if this can work it's way into high street guitar stores, that'd be a real achievement and I'd love to try one.

Although it's marketed as the ultimate faithful reproduction of amps,it does go beyond that,since it has effects (you don't model the amp with a tubescreamer for instance,you add it later from the unit,plus you can change cabs digitally even if the profile was taken from a mic'd cab) and the amp controls can give more range that the real amp can.Kind like axe-fx . only with less effects,and working on the captured response of the amp for the particular settings and mic.


There is a forum that uploads profiles and has a thread for profile inquiries,so supposedly you can work with it (considering that you can still tweak it from the unit itself),even if you don't have a profile of the EXACT settings you want,but something similar.

If I'm correct,it's the only "modeler" at that price range.The only alternative for that money is a used axe-fx.So that's good.


EDIT:As for the availability,thomann has stock +1 retoured kemper

[JMP2203]

its amazing how close to the real thing is

[ampoverload]

i think it looks badass, but a rack version would be even better.

[ST3MOCON]

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heres the link http://youtu.be/mnd9lj_ECho

Video speaks for itself.

[MaxOfMetal]

Holy failed embed Batman!

[great_kthulu]

hmm, It really would be interesting if you could isolate guitar tracks from a CD and get a good emulation of the tone... I could have eric johnson, brian may and aborted all in one amp!!!!

[Eaten]

wow that's impressive... wonder if you can clone a axe fx preset.