Some Vypyr/Bugera issue

[Shadows]

Hey guys! I'm having this issue I can't seem to resolve with amps^^ I bought a Peavey Vypyr 120 Tube 212 amp and I really think, that this amp has a nice thick tone. My favorit amp settings are the 6505, Krankenstein and the Rectifier. I don't really use effects while playing, only the tubescreamer.

So, my problem is, that I can't change channels while playing if I don't buy a sanper I / II. I just cannot afford any of those pedals right now. 70,-/170,- would literally rip a hole in my pockets. So, I kinda thought about trading my Peavey for a Bugera 6262, that already comes with a footswitcher. I would have to pay 500 euros for both sanpera and Vypyr to have full controll over everything, altough I don't really use effects since I'm more of a rhythm player.(I never solo)
The Bugera 6262 and the footswitch would cost me only 338,- + ~100,- probably someday with a tubescreamer = 438,-

It really bugs me, because if I would lay another 100,- on the table, I would be able to get a 6505 112. Even if the Sanpera 2/1 have a lot of settings/tweaks, I still consider it a ripoff not to get a simple 2 channels footswitch with an amp like this.

So here I am, asking myself if it would be a tone fail / stupid to move to the bugera 6262 from my Vypyr, altough I NEVER ever tried the Bugera 6262. I know the 6262 is copying Peaveys 5150II/6505 whatever, and that one of my all time favorit bands is using those Peavey models -> Machine Head - I really dig their rhythm tone, also there are some pretty decent sounding 6262s on youtube that made me turn to this baby. I wouldn't cry over the none-existing effects if I was getting the 6262, so this isn't an issue. All I'm using with my Peavey is like I mentioned: Tubescreamer & Reverb

Well, I know this got a bit too long and I'm also sorry for asking stupid questions, but this is the second problem that's kinda killing me right after my tooth at the moment. And to repeat again, I love the sound of my Vypyr. I just don't think I'll be able to pulverize another 170,- to get the Sanpera II.
My gear:Ibanez Apex 2 with Dimarzio PAF7 hums
Digitech Whammy

Thank you guys!

[iRaiseTheDead]

You say your not a lead player... do you REALLY need that digitech whammy? If you sold that you'd be able to cover the cost of one of your options. I'm actually going to order a Bugera 6262 head in the next few days, I was kind of skeptical about it being that I had my heart set on a 6505+/ 5150II but the Bugera 6262 seems almost exact to the tone I'm looking for. I've played my friend's Vypyr and to me it was just a tease :P I wanted to play the 6505 so bad. The good thing about Bugera is they include the footswitch in all orders.

I'd suggest looking up more videos on youtube (check out: Dingle1) he does ALOT of Bugera reviews and tone tests. Compare the tone you find on youtube and the one you have with your Vypyr and see which you'd find more enjoyable

Hope I helped, and welcome to the forum!

[Shadows]

Thanks for the fast response! Yes I know dingle. He has some nice videos up, but I kinda think he's advertising for Bugera even if he says that's not true.^^ Well I think the Bugera is more thick and punchy but since I never tried it out, I have no idea. It's difficult to compare youtube with an amp^^ Well I love playing KoRn, thats the reason for my Whammy. I really never used anything except the Tubescreamer on my Vypyr. The sound is amazing and f-ing awesome, but I cannot afford the Sanpera 2/1. Thats why I'm kinda leaning towards the Bugera 6262.

[iRaiseTheDead]

That could also be true. I mean if your happy with your tone, keep it. Do you gig/play shows?

[onionofdoom]

Don't know if this helps, but the lead guitarist in my band has a 6262 infinium and it sounds bloody awesome! I have a 6505+ 112 and the bugera sounds just as good, a little thicker but less tight. If you get a 6262 you won't be disappointed, as long as you have a decent cab. The foot switches are also really nice, you have a channel selector (clean and lead), crunch button for the clean channel, reverb on/off and fx loop on/off. just thought id throw that in.

[iRaiseTheDead]

Thanks, onionofdoom, you answered some of the questions I was trying to figure out

[Shadows]

Do you gig/play shows?

No not really, I just play for myself at home.

You said you played both amps (6262,5150II) Can you try to write down the differences?^^

The thing is, I don't want to waste unnecessarily money by NOT using funky effects. I seriously only use the tubescreamer. I wish peavey sold the vypyr with a simple footswitch.

[Garlic Owl]

[onionofdoom]

Originally Posted by iRaiseTheDead

Thanks, onionofdoom, you answered some of the questions I was trying to figure out

No problem. Im condsidering getting one myself now that I have hands on experience! I think I just answered to that bugera thread you started, then After posting assumed id posted in the wrong thread because the subject had seemingly changed. FACEPALM :P

[Shadows]

Well, yes that f-in makes me buy it^^ It's a mix but nvm still sounds damn awesome. 338,- euros for this amp + footswitch makes me happy, but the Vypyr also sounds awesome except that it's gonna cost me a s&%t load of cash (500,-) I'm really torn between these two.

EDIT: I really don't want to think back like "dammit I payed 500,- for these two when I could put 100,- in the game and get the 6505 112", But nvm this is about the Bugera 6262. If it can keep up with the tone of my Vypyr I know I made the right decision.

Still, my head is full of f***k lol can't decide, I also summed up the + and - aspects.

[onionofdoom]

Originally Posted by Shadows

Well, yes that f-in makes me buy it^^ It's a mix but nvm still sounds damn awesome. 338,- euros for this amp + footswitch makes me happy, but the Vypyr also sounds awesome except that it's gonna cost me a s&%t load of cash (500,-) I'm really torn between these two.

A friend of mine has that vypyr and IMO my bandmates 6262 kills it. Much better in every way, that's my $0.02

[Shadows]

A friend of mine has that vypyr and IMO my bandmates 6262 kills it. Much better in every way, that's my $0.02

What kind of music do you guys play? Does he have the 120 Tube version?

Peavey Vypyr 120 tube - Metal - YouTube

[onionofdoom]

Originally Posted by Shadows

What kind of music do you guys play? Does he have the 120 Tube version?

Peavey Vypyr 120 tube - Metal - YouTube

Yes, it's the 120 tube version. And it's hard to categorise what we play, it's metalcore, it's progressive, with a hint of djent. Definitely modern sounding I.e not classic metal or 80s shred (ewww)

[Shadows]

Yes, it's the 120 tube version.

Awesome! Could you describe the tone differences? Like low end, crunchiness etc.?

[CRaul87]

the vypyr series in kinda buggy and I would not use it for live giging

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Originally Posted by onionofdoom

classic metal or 80s shred (ewww)

You poopie-head.

But to the OP, I honestly think the Bugera would be worth it more in the long run. The Vypyr is good if you need a whole heap of stuff. I wouldn't mind getting the Vypyr 15/30/75 as a practice amp, but getting the 120's as a gigging amp, I rather not since the Sampera does seem like a tricky tool to use. And not to mention, as stated before, the Vypyr may be a little glitchy.

And if you like the 6505 modeling on the Vypyr, you're going to love the shit out of the real thing. Especially with an actual boost like an Ibanez or Maxon OD.

If you really like the Vypyr tones, just get a Vypyr 30 when you get the cash and use it as a practice amp, while using the Bugera/OD for live stuff.

[Shadows]

If you really like the Vypyr tones, just get a Vypyr 30 when you get the cash and use it as a practice amp, while using the Bugera/OD for live stuff.

Alright, I see your point. The Vypyr is an awesome amplifier, but having to buy a 170,- expensive pedal to have full controll over everything is kinda unfair.

I hope I can trade it over here for a 6262, but I guess I'm stuck right now with it. It's been a few weeks since I bought it.

[GuitaristOfHell]

OP I've had a VYPYR SS 75w, and I was actually very unhappy with it. Tonally was not my thing, but it also was very unreliable. I dunno if yours does this, but it randomly shut off on me, and sometimes had FYINTO Syndrome ( .... You I'm Not Turning On Syndrome). So I returned it, but as for the tubes how much better is it?

[Shadows]

OP I've had a VYPYR SS 75w, and I was actually very unhappy with it. Tonally was not my thing, but it also was very unreliable. I dunno if yours does this, but it randomly shut off on me, and sometimes had FYINTO Syndrome ( .... You I'm Not Turning On Syndrome). So I returned it, but as for the tubes how much better is it?

Well the tube version of the Vypyr has a really raw fat sounds. I actually like it. Krankenstein and the Rectifier are more trebly the 6505 is bassy and nasty! All in all I think it's a good amp and can keep up with other high gain amplifiers, but the missing simple footswitch is driving me mad. 170,- are a sh..t load of money.... I had the freezing issue exactly 3-4 times since I bought it.

[onionofdoom]

Originally Posted by Shadows

Awesome! Could you describe the tone differences? Like low end, crunchiness etc.?

Originally Posted by CRaul87

the vypyr series in kinda buggy and I would not use it for live giging

The Vypyr is generally quite flat sounding to my ears, the 6262 is much more alive. More bottom end and isn't just solid state sounding fizz- I know the tube vypyrs have a 6L6 power section but the amp models are all digital, and the preamp contributes 90% of the tone to the 6505. That said I was impressed with the 6505 model, but a modeller will never be as good as a tube amp. The cleans won't be as good as the Vypyr- 6505/6260/6262 cleans really aren't the best but for high gain the bugera will absolutely own the Vypyr. Also, I agree with the above comment; the vypyrs are horribly unreliable.

[robotsatemygma]

Well dude, get what is going to inspire and make you play more. .... the names.

My vote goes to the Bugera. I had a 6262 for awhile, it owned. I was very happy with it and constantly defended it over the interwebz. I'd totally grab another one if I needed another amp. Which might happen if my studio project goes live. :P

[Shadows]

The Vypyr is generally quite flat sounding to my ears, the 6262 is much more alive. More bottom end and isn't just solid state sounding fizz- I know the tube vypyrs have a 6L6 power section but the amp models are all digital, and the preamp contributes 90% of the tone to the 6505. That said I was impressed with the 6505 model, but a modeller will never be as good as a tube amp. The cleans won't be as good as the Vypyr- 6505/6260/6262 cleans really aren't the best but for high gain the bugera will absolutely own the Vypyr. Also, I agree with the above comment;

You probably mean the SS amps. The amp models on the tube version are digital, but the distortion is analog. I hope I can trade it for the 6262.
You guys are giving me a lot of + and - aspects. Thank you.

the vypyrs are horribly unreliable.

I had that freezing issue only 4 times. Off & On = problem solved.

[onionofdoom]

Originally Posted by Shadows

You probably mean the SS amps. The amp models on the tube version are digital, but the distortion is analog. I hope I can trade it for the 6262.
You guys are giving me a lot of + and - aspects. Thank you.



I had that freezing issue only 4 times. Off & On = problem solved.

What I'm saying is; you don't want the amp to freeze if you ever play live,you might not play live at the moment, but dont limit your options. Also, what I meant was I don't see why the Vypyr has tubes, a marketing ploy IMO (the solid state and tube ones sound the same to me) I looked up the spec and the distortion is analogue; but it isn't tube generated, so it's basically a solid state preamp and tube power section. At any rate, it didn't sound very tube like to me, but who cares what I think, if you think the Vypyr will suit you better, keep it, I'd just personally go for the 6262. The best thing to do would be to try a 6262 and see which amp you prefer, preferably using the same cabinet. Trust your ears though, don't give up an amp just because it might annoy your wallet a little y'know (although I do agree the prices for sanpera footswitches are extortionate, and I'm still raging that my 6505+ 112 didn't come with even a basic footswitch.)

[Shadows]

What I'm saying is; you don't want the amp to freeze if you ever play live,you might not play live at the moment, but dont limit your options. Also, what I meant was I don't see why the Vypyr has tubes, a marketing ploy IMO (the solid state and tube ones sound the same to me) I looked up the spec and the distortion is analogue; but it isn't tube generated, so it's basically a solid state preamp and tube power section. At any rate, it didn't sound very tube like to me, but who cares what I think, if you think the Vypyr will suit you better, keep it, I'd just personally go for the 6262. The best thing to do would be to try a 6262 and see which amp you prefer, preferably using the same cabinet. Trust your ears though, don't give up an amp just because it might annoy your wallet a little y'know (although I do agree the prices for sanpera footswitches are extortionate, and I'm still raging that my 6505+ 112 didn't come with even a basic footswitch.)

I can see your point. Well the reason I got the Vypyr, was because the guitar shop had no behringer stuff. They kinda laughed at me as I wanted to buy a compressor of behringer brand. I couldn't compare my Vypyr with real tube amps, since I've never owned one. I think there are 2 negative aspects about the 6262: there's no resonance and post gain knob.

EDIT:

solid state preamp

- There is a fifth tube right before the power section

What kind of music do you play?

[Garlic Owl]

Originally Posted by Shadows

I can see your point. Well the reason I got the Vypyr, was because the guitar shop had no behringer stuff. They kinda laughed at me as I wanted to buy a compressor of behringer brand. I couldn't compare my Vypyr with real tube amps, since I've never owned one. I think there are 2 negative aspects about the 6262: there's no resonance and post gain knob.

The post gain is another term for master volume if I'm not mistaken.