Mesa boogie?

Joey_Vengeance · 11-23-2006, 10:23 AM

I was wondering if the roumor about mesa boogies i true that they are extremely loud...for instance if it´s a 100 watt mesa it actually sounds more than that??

metalfiend666 · 11-23-2006, 10:35 AM

Yes, they're very loud for their quoted output wattage. It's kind of academic though, any tube amp over 15W has the power to get very loud and anything over 30W is definitely capable of damaging your hearing.

Volume is measured in dB on a logarythmic scale. It takes 10 times the power to be twice as loud, so a 100W amp is only twice as loud as a 10W amp, not 10 times as loud. Tube amps are generally louder than an equivalently rated solid state amp, but that's due to the different ways the amps clip the signal.

Do you think I gave ou enough info there?

Joey_Vengeance · 11-23-2006, 10:42 AM

*laughter* yeah you gave me enough info..thanx.i think its time for me to save some money to buy a boogie

Regor · 11-23-2006, 01:29 PM

The human ear percieves a +3db increase as being louder. From what I've researched, to achieve a +3db, you have to double the wattage or surface area.

So:
20W is +3db than 10W, 100W is +3db louder than 50W, etc.

Also a 4x12 is +3db louder than a 2x12 at the same wattage.

Drew · 11-23-2006, 01:34 PM

All the science aside, I will say that yes, Mesas seem criminally underrated in terms of wattage. I never actually A/B'd them side by side since I sold one for the other, but I rreally think that my Nomad 45 2x12 combo (45 watts) was louder than the Marshall TSL-100 (120 watts) driving a Recto 2x12 (same speakers as the Nomad) it replaced. It's crazy.

Of course, the Nomad also sounds way better at bedroom volumes than the TSL did, too, so it's not necessarily a problem.

mefrommiddleearth · 11-23-2006, 01:46 PM

and it's not just wattage because of the design of the human ear differnt frequencys are preceived as having differnt volume so say if drews nomad when distorted produced lots of extra harmonic content in a particular frequency range and was EQed to enhance that it would sound louder than a marshall that didn't create alot of harmonics in that frequency range and wasn't EQed to enhance them

Code001 · 11-23-2006, 02:09 PM

Some of it has to do with the way they design their master volumes too. They're so sensitive, it's not even funny.

hirah · 11-23-2006, 07:06 PM

i can say that my mesa poweramp is very loud. i usually run it at 15 watts and have never needed to go over 2.5-3. this is in practice and live situations. my metaltronix head with 2 tubes at 50 watts, is probably even louder than my mesa at full power, which is 85 watts. crazy loud.

Regor · 11-23-2006, 07:17 PM

I swear I must be in the loudest band here. I have to run my 2:90 at 1/2 volume on both sides to keep up with my lead guitarist's TriAmp at 1/2. And I'm running both channels into a 360w cab stereo. He's running one 5150 cab mono.

7StringofAblicK · 11-23-2006, 08:06 PM

I have a peavey 5150 (120 watts) and a mesa dual rec

the mesa is wicked loud; IMO, sounds a lot louder than the peavey.

11-23-2006, 10:23 AM	#1
Joey_Vengeance ss.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northpart of Sweden Posts: 22 Main Seven: Schecter Omen Extrem Rig: PodXT Thanked: 2 / 1	Mesa boogie? I was wondering if the roumor about mesa boogies i true that they are extremely loud...for instance if it´s a 100 watt mesa it actually sounds more than that??

11-23-2006, 10:35 AM	#2
metalfiend666 Mod Britannia Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Basildon, Essex, England Posts: 9,615 Real Name: James Main Seven: Death Warrior/KXK Sii-7 Rig: Dual Rec->Trace 3x12 Thanked: 43	Yes, they're very loud for their quoted output wattage. It's kind of academic though, any tube amp over 15W has the power to get very loud and anything over 30W is definitely capable of damaging your hearing. Volume is measured in dB on a logarythmic scale. It takes 10 times the power to be twice as loud, so a 100W amp is only twice as loud as a 10W amp, not 10 times as loud. Tube amps are generally louder than an equivalently rated solid state amp, but that's due to the different ways the amps clip the signal. Do you think I gave ou enough info there? Ibanez 540S7 for sale

11-23-2006, 01:29 PM	#4
Regor God Bless Mike Join Date: May 2005 Location: Detroit Rawk City Posts: 3,724 Real Name: Mr.Luxury Yacht Main Seven: Ibz RG2127X (The Japanez) Rig: TriAxis/G-Force/2:90 Thanked: 60	The human ear percieves a +3db increase as being louder. From what I've researched, to achieve a +3db, you have to double the wattage or surface area. So: 20W is +3db than 10W, 100W is +3db louder than 50W, etc. Also a 4x12 is +3db louder than a 2x12 at the same wattage. *Metal... Nuff Said!!* NEXT SHOW: Oct 3rd - IROCK Nightclub, Detroit MI Website: www.justdefymetal.com MySpace: myspace.com/justdefymetal

11-23-2006, 01:34 PM	#5
Drew Fear the Polo! Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Somerville, MA Posts: 21,267 Real Name: Call me Ahab... Main Seven: 1991 Ibanez UV7PWH Main ERG: Sherman 5-string bass Rig: Mesa Recto-verb 50 Thanked: 141	All the science aside, I will say that yes, Mesas seem criminally underrated in terms of wattage. I never actually A/B'd them side by side since I sold one for the other, but I rreally think that my Nomad 45 2x12 combo (45 watts) was louder than the Marshall TSL-100 (120 watts) driving a Recto 2x12 (same speakers as the Nomad) it replaced. It's crazy. Of course, the Nomad also sounds way better at bedroom volumes than the TSL did, too, so it's not necessarily a problem. "...and everything under the sun is in tune, but the sun is eclipsed by the moon."

11-23-2006, 01:46 PM	#6
mefrommiddleearth the abominabal poop Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: christchurch new zealand Posts: 274 Real Name: Grant Main Seven: probably not for a while Rig: Rubbish Thanked: 0	and it's not just wattage because of the design of the human ear differnt frequencys are preceived as having differnt volume so say if drews nomad when distorted produced lots of extra harmonic content in a particular frequency range and was EQed to enhance that it would sound louder than a marshall that didn't create alot of harmonics in that frequency range and wasn't EQed to enhance them If there is a compassionte god why did he put the most sensitive organs on the outside of the more accident prone of the two sexes

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11-23-2006, 10:42 AM	#3
Joey_Vengeance ss.org Regular Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Northpart of Sweden Posts: 22 Main Seven: Schecter Omen Extrem Rig: PodXT Thanked: 2 / 1	laughter yeah you gave me enough info..thanx.i think its time for me to save some money to buy a boogie

11-23-2006, 02:09 PM	#7
Code001 Mac OS X Junkie Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: South Florida Posts: 210 Real Name: Tom Main Seven: RG1527s Rig: Mark III and Recto Thanked 1 Time in 1 Post	Some of it has to do with the way they design their master volumes too. They're so sensitive, it's not even funny. Signature Removed - Unable to load the image

11-23-2006, 07:06 PM	#8
hirah Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: rhode island Posts: 394 Main Seven: ibanez 7620s Rig: mesa, soldano,peavey Thanked: 12	i can say that my mesa poweramp is very loud. i usually run it at 15 watts and have never needed to go over 2.5-3. this is in practice and live situations. my metaltronix head with 2 tubes at 50 watts, is probably even louder than my mesa at full power, which is 85 watts. crazy loud.

11-23-2006, 07:17 PM	#9
Regor God Bless Mike Join Date: May 2005 Location: Detroit Rawk City Posts: 3,724 Real Name: Mr.Luxury Yacht Main Seven: Ibz RG2127X (The Japanez) Rig: TriAxis/G-Force/2:90 Thanked: 60	I swear I must be in the loudest band here. I have to run my 2:90 at 1/2 volume on both sides to keep up with my lead guitarist's TriAmp at 1/2. And I'm running both channels into a 360w cab stereo. He's running one 5150 cab mono.

11-23-2006, 08:06 PM	#10
7StringofAblicK Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,731 Real Name: Eric Rose Main Seven: Carvin/Hellraiser 7 Rig: VHT Pittbull 100/CL Thanked: 18	I have a peavey 5150 (120 watts) and a mesa dual rec the mesa is wicked loud; IMO, sounds a lot louder than the peavey.

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