Axe FX II - A New Era Begins - Page 11

JMP2203 · 05-10-2011, 10:11 PM

asmegin_slayer · 05-10-2011, 11:41 PM

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Racerdeth · 05-11-2011, 01:31 AM

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Originally Posted by Antenna

as funny as that sounds, theres a shit ton of people who ask $2100 on ebay for an Ultra (and sell!). Actually here's one of those assholes now! Fractal Audio Axe-FX ULTRA; Mint; 3 mos. old; FW 11.00 | eBay

Ultras over here on the bay are currently priced up at the pound equivalent of $2500. I am a sad panda.

Andromalia · 05-11-2011, 08:17 AM

Well there's a market in europe for used G1s since we didn't get deliveries for a long time. standards on ebay are around the 900-1K€ mark which is roughly 40% off. Since I don't see the dollar going up anytime soon except for possible spikes caused by market manipulation, it will likely stay this way for some time, seeing the Fed is printing like crazy to pay the bills and devaluing the USD in practice. A european wanting a G1 will pay more than 500$, 500$ is nothing and less than the prie of a line 6 HD 500.

Plus, remember, G1s are still second best and they were not mass produced.
Hence:
axe fx ultra | eBay

Peiople are not willing to take a heavy loss, and the product sold does not have any real competition, it sits between the G2 and the HD 500. The fact is that the G2 is priced like an ultra, not eveyone can shell 2300€ and lots of people will be happy buying an ultra or standard for 40% of its new price...or more, as long as it's less expensive than a G2, whose price for international customers is 3300$. Cheap G1s ? Not yet.

KevHo · 05-11-2011, 08:31 AM

Ughz. The Rage above perfectly describes my situation. However, it's still pretty damn funny.

petereanima · 05-11-2011, 09:15 AM

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Originally Posted by Racerdeth

Ultras over here on the bay are currently priced up at the pound equivalent of $2500. I am a sad panda.

Avoid ebay, browse through gear-forums - it has begun. EU-Axe FX Ultras for EUR 1500,- available.

ITS A CELEBRATION BITCHES! ENJOY YOURSELVES!

Speculum Speculorum · 05-11-2011, 09:27 AM

All I know is I couldn't buy an Ultra until September or so anyway. Now I'm really happy I couldn't. I feel like a kid in a candy shop because I get to wait all summer for the next gen stuff, and then I should be set with the highest quality gear, soft synths, etc, for the the next few years.

Hell, I don't even know if I will buy an Axe II. I might just get an Ultra if the prices drop significantly. But it does make more sense to stay on the cusp if the price difference isn't that much more.

But, this is also akin to the fact that I still own an Ipod Classic. An Ipod Classic that was given to me by a friend who's father bought it for him when it first came out.

And it works great. And I can bludgeon zombies with it, and still hear crisp tunes while doing so.

orb451 · 05-11-2011, 10:20 AM

Well I sold my Ultra in 1 day for $1600 to a guy on here from Australia, so since there's a market for them at that price, I don't see the problem. Likewise with the Axe-II I've got enough cash to buy 2 of them when they're released and probably will do exactly that. One for me and one to sell and make some money off of.

I don't know why I should feel guilty about selling to someone that may not be able to get the new one or the old one for that matter, even at a higher price.

Opportunist? Or just good business sense?

What will most likely happen though, is Cliff will have a limited first run and most of the run will be reserved for G66 and ToneMerchants, along with any other distributers/partners and the leftovers will go ridiculously fast. Point being, I'm unlikely to get one, let alone two of the new units and will end up in the same boat as most others with the money and desire to buy the new one, waiting... waiting...

Larrikin666 · 05-11-2011, 10:27 AM

I'm pretty sure the Fractal site is gonna crash hard as soon as units pop up for sale. A ton of people are going to be on there beforehand refreshing constantly until the II's officially show up for sale. I really hope they are prepared for that.

orb451 · 05-11-2011, 10:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Larrikin666

I'm pretty sure the Fractal site is gonna crash hard as soon as units pop up for sale. A ton of people are going to be on there beforehand refreshing constantly until the II's officially show up for sale. I really hope they are prepared for that.

I know they say past performance isn't always an indicator of future results but I'd wager that yeah, their shit is gonna crash and the server is going to go up in flames. I don't think he's prepared for it on the back end server-wise and I don't think he's prepared for it in terms of inventory on-hand either.

troyguitar · 05-11-2011, 11:14 AM

I'd like to see Cliff wise up to this shit and pull a Mesa (fixing prices), setting prices to be the same worldwide after shipping/duties/whatever - leaving a bunch of greedy Americans selling Axe II's at a loss.

If you want to sell them damn things overseas, become a ....ing distributor.

Andromalia · 05-11-2011, 11:31 AM

You can't stop people from buying and reselling. It works with Mesa because the weight isn't really the same and it costs a ton to ship an amp head. Shipping an axe fx is likely around 80/100$ so it's not the issue.

People WILL flip them if supply isn't there. Meaning the distributor deals aren't good, if european people would rather buy from an individual without warranty than from G66.
Which in the end results for higher prices for the US people who can't buy direct because some wholesaler ordered 10.

The G66 queue is about 1K people.

orb451 · 05-11-2011, 11:41 AM

^^^Exactly, I doubt Cliff gives a shit about the onesy twosy people that buy and sell small numbers or one offs. Provided they're not pawning themselves off as legitimate distributors or infringing on his trademarks or copyright.

I know I'm not losing sleep over making a few bucks off these things *if* I even get any in the first round.

cyril v · 05-11-2011, 01:10 PM

So, what you're saying is I should buy some and just resell them until I have enough money to buy what I really want?

I really had my eye on a BFR-7 and Dual Rec.

Speculum Speculorum · 05-11-2011, 01:20 PM

The Axe FX II sounds good. Scott Peterson, one of the beta testers, posted some clean and lightly overdriven clips on fractal. Here's the linky:

AxeFx II (vs. Ultra) - has anybody actually heard it? - Page 6

Warm. Tight and controlled, and apparently the MP3 compressed some of the dynamics. I'd say it's some of the best modeled sounds I've heard.

troyguitar · 05-11-2011, 01:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andromalia

You can't stop people from buying and reselling. It works with Mesa because the weight isn't really the same and it costs a ton to ship an amp head. Shipping an axe fx is likely around 80/100$ so it's not the issue.

People WILL flip them if supply isn't there. Meaning the distributor deals aren't good, if european people would rather buy from an individual without warranty than from G66.
Which in the end results for higher prices for the US people who can't buy direct because some wholesaler ordered 10.

The G66 queue is about 1K people.

No, but you can dictate what overseas distributors can sell their units for - making it such that avoiding them is not worth it.

The fact that maxing out one's credit cards buying electronics then selling said electronics overseas is actually a GOOD investment plan is ....ING RIDICULOUS, no?

orb451 · 05-11-2011, 01:53 PM

Who said anything about buying things on credit? I'm buying mine with cash in the bank.

troyguitar · 05-11-2011, 01:55 PM

If you can turn around and sell them within a week, what's the difference? There's no interest.

Larrikin666 · 05-11-2011, 02:40 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troyguitar

No, but you can dictate what overseas distributors can sell their units for - making it such that avoiding them is not worth it.

The fact that maxing out one's credit cards buying electronics then selling said electronics overseas is actually a GOOD investment plan is ....ING RIDICULOUS, no?

Maybe calm down a little man. Sounds like you're going to have a heart attack because of what other people choose to do with their money and equipment.

SirMyghin · 05-11-2011, 02:52 PM

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Originally Posted by troyguitar

If you can turn around and sell them within a week, what's the difference? There's no interest.

Yes there is a difference, he will be selling it (more than likely anyway) for more than it cost him, hence a return on the investment. The guy on the other side, likely overseas will also be happy at getting a 'discount'. It is win win, and good economics.

troyguitar · 05-11-2011, 02:59 PM

ok whatever dudes, guess you think Fractal's international distribution plan is perfect because you can profit from it.

I just hate stupidity, and being able to sell something for more than it cost new just because someone lives across some line on a map is STUPID. There is no good reason for that whatsoever.

orb451 · 05-11-2011, 04:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by troyguitar

ok whatever dudes, guess you think Fractal's international distribution plan is perfect because you can profit from it.

I just hate stupidity, and being able to sell something for more than it cost new just because someone lives across some line on a map is STUPID. There is no good reason for that whatsoever.

Again, sure there's a good reason for it, it's called economics. Supply and demand. As others said, if I (or anyone else) can buy these new and then sell them at a profit, to people *willing* to pay for them, what's the harm? I make a little profit and they get the device they want, potentially even *cheaper* than they could otherwise, and if not cheaper, at least faster. Sheesh

Not like I'm holding them at gunpoint or anything.

It'd be stupid *not* to take advantage of that, because again, it's a win-win.

Andromalia · 05-11-2011, 04:35 PM

Ok, some questions, so we get to talk about something else than economics or tariffs lol.

The new unit is more expensive than an ultra, does it keep all the ultra blocks, meaning the compressor, the synth etc ?

sevenstringj · 05-11-2011, 05:16 PM

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Originally Posted by JMP2203

Stealthdjentstic · 05-11-2011, 05:51 PM

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Originally Posted by orb451

Again, sure there's a good reason for it, it's called economics. Supply and demand. As others said, if I (or anyone else) can buy these new and then sell them at a profit, to people *willing* to pay for them, what's the harm? I make a little profit and they get the device they want, potentially even *cheaper* than they could otherwise, and if not cheaper, at least faster. Sheesh

Not like I'm holding them at gunpoint or anything.

It'd be stupid *not* to take advantage of that, because again, it's a win-win.

I think what he's trying to get at is that Fractal has a terrible distribution plan that even lets this happen. Its not wrong of people like yourself to do what you're doing because like you said, the buyer gets the product at a potentially cheaper price than brand new and you make money. What is wrong is that international buyers are paying MUCH more money for the same product.

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Andromalia Pardon my french Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 4,096 Thanked: 42 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well there's a market in europe for used G1s since we didn't get deliveries for a long time. standards on ebay are around the 900-1K€ mark which is roughly 40% off. Since I don't see the dollar going up anytime soon except for possible spikes caused by market manipulation, it will likely stay this way for some time, seeing the Fed is printing like crazy to pay the bills and devaluing the USD in practice. A european wanting a G1 will pay more than 500$, 500$ is nothing and less than the prie of a line 6 HD 500. Plus, remember, G1s are still second best and they were not mass produced. Hence: axe fx ultra \| eBay Peiople are not willing to take a heavy loss, and the product sold does not have any real competition, it sits between the G2 and the HD 500. The fact is that the G2 is priced like an ultra, not eveyone can shell 2300€ and lots of people will be happy buying an ultra or standard for 40% of its new price...or more, as long as it's less expensive than a G2, whose price for international customers is 3300$. Cheap G1s ? Not yet.

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KevHo ss.org Regular Join Date: Apr 2011 Location: TX Posts: 47 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Ughz. The Rage above perfectly describes my situation. However, it's still pretty damn funny.

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Speculum Speculorum SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 882 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	All I know is I couldn't buy an Ultra until September or so anyway. Now I'm really happy I couldn't. I feel like a kid in a candy shop because I get to wait all summer for the next gen stuff, and then I should be set with the highest quality gear, soft synths, etc, for the the next few years. Hell, I don't even know if I will buy an Axe II. I might just get an Ultra if the prices drop significantly. But it does make more sense to stay on the cusp if the price difference isn't that much more. But, this is also akin to the fact that I still own an Ipod Classic. An Ipod Classic that was given to me by a friend who's father bought it for him when it first came out. And it works great. And I can bludgeon zombies with it, and still hear crisp tunes while doing so.

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orb451 Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: LV426 Posts: 1,943 Thanked: 98 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Well I sold my Ultra in 1 day for $1600 to a guy on here from Australia, so since there's a market for them at that price, I don't see the problem. Likewise with the Axe-II I've got enough cash to buy 2 of them when they're released and probably will do exactly that. One for me and one to sell and make some money off of. I don't know why I should feel guilty about selling to someone that may not be able to get the new one or the old one for that matter, even at a higher price. Opportunist? Or just good business sense? What will most likely happen though, is Cliff will have a limited first run and most of the run will be reserved for G66 and ToneMerchants, along with any other distributers/partners and the leftovers will go ridiculously fast. Point being, I'm unlikely to get one, let alone two of the new units and will end up in the same boat as most others with the money and desire to buy the new one, waiting... waiting...

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Andromalia Pardon my french Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 4,096 Thanked: 42 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You can't stop people from buying and reselling. It works with Mesa because the weight isn't really the same and it costs a ton to ship an amp head. Shipping an axe fx is likely around 80/100$ so it's not the issue. People WILL flip them if supply isn't there. Meaning the distributor deals aren't good, if european people would rather buy from an individual without warranty than from G66. Which in the end results for higher prices for the US people who can't buy direct because some wholesaler ordered 10. The G66 queue is about 1K people.

05-11-2011, 11:41 AM	#263
orb451 Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: LV426 Posts: 1,943 Thanked: 98 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^^^Exactly, I doubt Cliff gives a shit about the onesy twosy people that buy and sell small numbers or one offs. Provided they're not pawning themselves off as legitimate distributors or infringing on his trademarks or copyright. I know I'm not losing sleep over making a few bucks off these things if I even get any in the first round.

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cyril v SS Contributor Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: New Jersey Posts: 3,682 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 31 reviews	So, what you're saying is I should buy some and just resell them until I have enough money to buy what I really want? I really had my eye on a BFR-7 and Dual Rec.

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Speculum Speculorum SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Boise, ID Posts: 882 Thanked: 10 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	The Axe FX II sounds good. Scott Peterson, one of the beta testers, posted some clean and lightly overdriven clips on fractal. Here's the linky: AxeFx II (vs. Ultra) - has anybody actually heard it? - Page 6 Warm. Tight and controlled, and apparently the MP3 compressed some of the dynamics. I'd say it's some of the best modeled sounds I've heard.

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orb451 Banned Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: LV426 Posts: 1,943 Thanked: 98 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Who said anything about buying things on credit? I'm buying mine with cash in the bank. TimothyLeary and SirMyghin like this.

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05-11-2011, 04:35 PM	#273
Andromalia Pardon my french Join Date: Dec 2009 Location: Paris, France Posts: 4,096 Thanked: 42 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Ok, some questions, so we get to talk about something else than economics or tariffs lol. The new unit is more expensive than an ultra, does it keep all the ultra blocks, meaning the compressor, the synth etc ?

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