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Unread 05-01-2011, 10:17 PM   #76
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Please oh please be the effects-only AxeFX
If anything, this is what I would want. The only reason I haven't gotten an Axe-FX is that I don't want all the Amp modeling. I personally have no need for it as I adore my Rivera. But the Axe-FX effects are heavenly sounding so I would most definitely go for a Effects only unit at a fraction of the cost of the STD or Ultra.
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Unread 05-01-2011, 11:52 PM   #77
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When I visited Fractal, it was made clear that they could do the software version at any moment but there was zero incentive to do so for obvious reasons. I doubt that will see the light of day anytime in the near future, it would more or less make the physical unit obsolete for most owners.

As an Axe-FX owner myself who uses it almost every day at my store for guitar trials or recording projects, I am excited to hear what the news is though. A firmware update would be cool. I loved the idea of making his own audio interface, I hope that happens sometime.

An FX-only model doesn't interest me much. There are other fx processors out there with much better intelligent harmonizers, chorus, delays, rotarys, etc IMO. The strength of the Axe-FX to me is the amp/cabinet sounds and just its ease of use.
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I remember there were some rumors about cooperation of FAS with Fryette few months ago.

maybe a head with axe fx preamp section and fryette tube poweramp section? or something like that.
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Unread 05-02-2011, 05:04 AM   #80
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When I visited Fractal, it was made clear that they could do the software version at any moment but there was zero incentive to do so for obvious reasons. I doubt that will see the light of day anytime in the near future, it would more or less make the physical unit obsolete for most owners.
That's a shame. I think it's clear that a great number of studio users would benefit from it. If 'obvious reasons' include piracy etc, I'm sure hardware could sort that out. As for making the physical unit obsolete - if the software were included with it, it would be the consumers choice if they wanted to let the hardware go unused. No loss from a business standpoint.

Maybe a software version is not the answer though, perhaps some kind of hybrid. I'd be happy reamping live through the Axe as a way to alter tones on the fly, bouncing down at the end, and that is possible now. It's just the issue of only being able to do one guitar at a time or go out and buy 2/4 Axe FX. I think most people wanting the software version would intend to use multiple instances at a time.

I think some kind of 4-in 1 hardware unit, able to process 4 live signals at a time, could be a great solution. Perhaps ditch some or all of the FX to counter the price of extra processing power, as many may prefer to apply those in the DAW anyway. Add a software interface for controlling the amp models easier, like the Axe Edit (does that work live or is it just for making presets to save to the Axe?).

That sounds a perfect compromise to me. A multi-signal amps only hardware unit. Not a software plugin, but able to deal with the studio requirements that people are asking for in software.

That makes sense to me. The current Axe-FX, for someone like me who is used to the ease of amp VSTs in the studio, seems like a huge step forward in quality but a thousand steps backwards in workflow.
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Unread 05-02-2011, 07:49 AM   #81
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I'd be happy with news that the freakin' Fx / Ultra was IN STOCK.
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I wonder...

What if the news is that the Axe-Fx will start having bass amp modeling? I know that I would be stoked if I only needed one unit for my studio for both guitar and bass. Saves money, saves space, and I'm sure that these guys would do awesome work.
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Unread 05-02-2011, 09:54 AM   #83
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That's a shame. I think it's clear that a great number of studio users would benefit from it. If 'obvious reasons' include piracy etc, I'm sure hardware could sort that out. As for making the physical unit obsolete - if the software were included with it, it would be the consumers choice if they wanted to let the hardware go unused. No loss from a business standpoint.

Maybe a software version is not the answer though, perhaps some kind of hybrid. I'd be happy reamping live through the Axe as a way to alter tones on the fly, bouncing down at the end, and that is possible now. It's just the issue of only being able to do one guitar at a time or go out and buy 2/4 Axe FX. I think most people wanting the software version would intend to use multiple instances at a time.

I think some kind of 4-in 1 hardware unit, able to process 4 live signals at a time, could be a great solution. Perhaps ditch some or all of the FX to counter the price of extra processing power, as many may prefer to apply those in the DAW anyway. Add a software interface for controlling the amp models easier, like the Axe Edit (does that work live or is it just for making presets to save to the Axe?).

That sounds a perfect compromise to me. A multi-signal amps only hardware unit. Not a software plugin, but able to deal with the studio requirements that people are asking for in software.

That makes sense to me. The current Axe-FX, for someone like me who is used to the ease of amp VSTs in the studio, seems like a huge step forward in quality but a thousand steps backwards in workflow.
I forgot to add, yes this would mean bands only need to buy one for live use. Perhaps that could be countered by no pedalboard support, or only changing patches by software on the computer. Though that may get in the way for some home jamming applications...

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What if the news is that the Axe-Fx will start having bass amp modeling? I know that I would be stoked if I only needed one unit for my studio for both guitar and bass. Saves money, saves space, and I'm sure that these guys would do awesome work.
It's got the SVT model and quite a few bass cabs, and I've dialed in some great tones on my friend's AFX using the HiWatt, Dual Reverb, and Orange sims.
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So G66 posted a link in their countdown to an old interview they did with Cliff and it really opened my eyes to a lot of things. He seems like a really brilliant guy who is super down to earth and realistic that also prides himself on manufaturing his product in america
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Unread 05-02-2011, 01:37 PM   #87
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I dont have an axe fx. But a totally software suit would bit strange. didn´t they have the fx edit so you can interface with and arrange thing more visually?

A new model of axe effect/or just slidly upgrades version could be expected. Or a price drop(in the end it's still a computer).

or even beter: fair pricing for eu =D

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Here's for a price drop - eu, $ or (preferably) both -
or a lite version for amp&cab modeling only which would cost less.

I'm sorry - this is a superb product, but the price is simply exorbitant.

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or a lite version for amp&cab modeling only which would cost less.

I'm sorry - this is a superb product, but the price is simply exorbitant.
The price is considered high to you guys because it's designed, made and manufactured here in America. Its the same reason Blackmachine guitars are so expensive to people outside of the UK. I mean it compares to the prices of other high end pre amps, but does 10,000x more.
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I hope a software version is NEVER available. Podfarm, revalver, guitar rig and everything else is easily downloadable via the internet, and i don't want any such bullshit affecting the integrity of Fractal especially because i have an AxeFX and it is my favourite piece of gear.

I'd be very interested in a rackmountable poweramp or anything else that will enhance the experience of prior AxeFX users like a nice firmware update or an interface to make recording easy, stuff like that.

I don't necessarily want anything like an AxeFX 2 to come out, because people have already spent a long time acquiring money to get their own, the thought of a potential upgrade AGAIN would be very offputting (Cliff has already said it won't be this, which is a relief, but i'm just saying)
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The price is considered high to you guys because it's designed, made and manufactured here in America. Its the same reason Blackmachine guitars are so expensive to people outside of the UK. I mean it compares to the prices of other high end pre amps, but does 10,000x more.
A mattress provides 10,000x the productivity of an axe-fx unit, and i bought mine for 30$.
I understand the limitations of manufacturing in the US, i'm well aware of the costs of software engineering, especially one that deals with DSP, and i'm all for paying for ingenuity.

With that said, the price is exorbitant but tolerable for a boutique, exclusive product for a set nichè - and that is no longer the case for the Axe-Fx. it's time the prices went down, IMO.

Besides, i really, really want to be able to afford one

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The price is considered high to you guys because it's designed, made and manufactured here in America. Its the same reason Blackmachine guitars are so expensive to people outside of the UK. I mean it compares to the prices of other high end pre amps, but does 10,000x more.
yeah it's because(in the case of axeFx) europeans get double ....ed. We pay VAT to USA AND our own country and some additional fees. G66 has included these already. Butt still.. in my view the thing is only worth about €1050,-(standard edition). And now they want me to pay €1700,-? from a european standpoint: that ~70% more than what some in the US is paying.
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it's time the prices went down, IMO.
i hope the price goes up, so then people will stop making AxeFX v. amp threads due to price ranges of expensive heads starting to border the RRP of the axefx.
the people who do their research and understand how revolutionary the axefx is will drop the coin on it no matter how much it is, and that's about all there is to it.
making it cheaper will just make more inexperienced people pick them up, simply because great players use them, and they probably will never comprehend the actual possibilities of the unit

and holy shit at a matrress v axefx comparison, that's a first.
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I remember there were some rumors about cooperation of FAS with Fryette few months ago.

maybe a head with axe fx preamp section and fryette tube poweramp section? or something like that.
I would shit.
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i hope the price goes up, so then people will stop making AxeFX v. amp threads due to price ranges of expensive heads starting to border the RRP of the axefx.
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making it cheaper will just make more inexperienced people pick them up, simply because great players use them, and they probably will never comprehend the actual possibilities of the unit
1)WHAAT?

2)Do inexperienced people tweak their units in your anus?



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1)WHAAT?

2)Do inexperienced people tweak their units in your anus?
i do believe this is a discussion man, if you have something to say back to what i've said, by all means go for it, but neg-repping me and then just replying with 2 year old insults doesn't really show you have any intelligence at all
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A mattress provides 10,000x the productivity of an axe-fx unit, and i bought mine for 30$.
I understand the limitations of manufacturing in the US, i'm well aware of the costs of software engineering, especially one that deals with DSP, and i'm all for paying for ingenuity.

With that said, the price is exorbitant but tolerable for a boutique, exclusive product for a set nichè - and that is no longer the case for the Axe-Fx. it's time the prices went down, IMO.

Besides, i really, really want to be able to afford one
Growing up, my parents always told me that "it's nice to want things". LOL

The Axe-FX price argument has been beaten to death at this point. I guess it will be interesting to see if Cliff decided to go with a more advanced unit with a higher price tag or a stripped down version that's less expensive. It should give everyone a better definition of exactly who Fractal wants to appeal to.

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