Line 6 POD HD Thread

[ArrowHead]

Originally Posted by osmosis2259

Has anyone worked with bass on the POD HD? Yesterday I was trying to get the bass tone from Meshuggah's CHAOSPHERE but failed miserably.

I just started tinkering with it yesterday. So far I'm actually not so impressed. I've had much better luck getting bass sounds going direct. However there's a couple things to consider:

1) I need new strings.
2) I've always preferred DI, even over a real amp for bass.
3) I have not spent more than a day dialing the bass amp in, while I've been tweaking my DI approach for years.

I'd be interested in hearing a few recordings people have done with the new bass model, as well as a chance to download their patch so I can compare their sound with what I get out of it.

[MrPepperoniNipples]

Originally Posted by fps

What are everyone's favourite EQs to use with their gain tones and are you using them before or after the amp? I'm after something a little Jerry Cantrell-ish, obviously I'm using the Uber model but it needs a little more low-end and a little more grind.

i almost always have a studio EQ after the amp

but i haven't experimented much outside of the Rectifier and fireball models

but i guess it really depends on the amp model, too

for the ENGL i only needed one Pre-EQ before i was happy with it
but for the Rectifier i had like 2 Studio EQ and 1 Graphic (or the other way around, i dont remember) before i was happy with the sound

[xCaptainx]

Had a gig last night through a fairly good sized p.a. Pretty small affair and a good way to break in our new drummer. Figured it was a great non risk way of trying full D.I with the HD500 through a big p.a setup.

Our other guitarist has an Axe FX ultra and we've been going D.I into the practise room poweramp to save us carting our cabinets to the practise room. The practise room p.a is MUCH smaller but everything has sounded ok.

Super stoked to say it that worked really well! I had spent last practise tweaking the deep cab editing functions on the HD500. Without it my D.I tone sounded really thin, and more of a 'recording of an amp' than an actual mic'd up amp when playing loud in the p.a. Trajans Axe FX sounded much much bigger.

The Cab resonance and 'thump' setting cleared all that up though. Got that satisfying mesa 'thwwwwump' low end chug back.

But yeah, it worked really well. Both Trajan and I put one output to front of house, and one output to our drummer each (he plays to a click and then mixed our guitar signals on his own little mixing board)

Only weird thing was the stage being deadly silent. I say deadly silent as it was foldback sound only but I'm much more used to have a huge wall of cabs behind me. Made the stage SO much more silent, but that worked well for me cause I could hear the drummer much better. Would love to invest in an in ear monitor system now haha.

Anywho, this wee experiment has given me MUCH more confidence with the powered monitor approach; really looking forward to getting one. Going to D.I into an even bigger p.a on saturday night so I can hear it through a REALLY cranked rig haha.

[Shask]

Cool. I will say the "thump" is always the thing I have the hardest time with. I will say that the new parameters have helped that a lot.

[WarMachine]

I just PM'd xCaptainx about this and maybe you guys can chime in too. Im a die hard 5150 fan, always have been. But im also a die hard preamp fan too lol, so it puts me in a dilemma; I have the 5150, 4x12 loaded with Red Coat Governors, Rocktron Xpression which is NOISY AS FACK, and a few effects pedals. When i had my GSP for the short time i did, i ran it using the power section of my 5150 and it sounded AMAZING!!! but i had to send it back quick to get some cash and didnt get to record or jam with it direct to compare. My main question is, with either the line 6 (which seems to get much more praise than the GSP) or the GSP would i be able to tweak either of them enough to sound and "feel" like a tube amp mic'd up? If so then i would seriously consider getting rid of a majority of my gear and just run one of the preamps direct. I hope that made some sense lol

[osmosis2259]

Originally Posted by ArrowHead

I just started tinkering with it yesterday. So far I'm actually not so impressed. I've had much better luck getting bass sounds going direct. However there's a couple things to consider:

1) I need new strings.
2) I've always preferred DI, even over a real amp for bass.
3) I have not spent more than a day dialing the bass amp in, while I've been tweaking my DI approach for years.

I'd be interested in hearing a few recordings people have done with the new bass model, as well as a chance to download their patch so I can compare their sound with what I get out of it.

I decided to keep the bass simple. I barely did anything to it besides just a noise gate and studio eq. It adds the fullness in the heavier parts and stands out pretty nice in the cleaner sections in my opinion. I might have to turn it up a little though... I'm not sure... It could be nice getting someones opinion

Here is a quick clip of a song I'm currently working on
Music Update- May 5, 2012 by Burak Ozmucur on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

[xCaptainx]

Ok so I just got back from soundcheck at a 600 capacity venue with a large p.a. Sounding MEAAAAAAAN. Had to dial back the gain a fair bit and increase the cabinet thump but it sounded great.

our other guitarist ran his axe fx ultra and Soldano SLO patch. It sounded huge. We learnt a lot from the previous night and worked with the soundguy for a fair bit to get a really big on stage sound to compensate for not having two full stacks behind us haha.

Warmachine; really hard to answer cause I LOVE 5150's haha. I'd do the four cable method with the HD500 if I had your setup, otherwise if you like dual rect tones the HD500 dual rect patch sounds great.

[WarMachine]

Thanks dude, got you PM btw lol. I....HATE.....GAS!!!! there needs to be a beano for musicians GAS too!! oh dont get me wrong bro, hands down, the 5150 has and always will be my all time favorite amp. i've never played anything that ever made me dislike it or consider and equal i've been playing around with so much gear experimenting here lately its not even funny! Just for kicks i ran through my pedals and the 5150 alone and i got it sounding KILLER! (being a friggin guitarist i'll like it for a month or two then change my mind lol) I run an NS-2 in the effects loop for the static hum, killed it. then i tried running my Wylde OD pedal with the gain at 0, level at 2 o'clock and tone at noon and WOW!!! i've never tried a boost like everyone talks about but man, with my gain set on 4.5 and that boost it gave it juuuuust enough push to keep me happy lol. xCaptainx, hat's off to ya bro for nailing the the HD direct dude, thats killer!

[xCaptainx]

Righto so first show at kings arms doing D.I worked a treat. HUGE amount of room on stage now, we put our stage scrims up where the amps would normally go (instead of in front of them) so we didnt have that 'hey where the .... is their gear?!?' look going on.

Talked to the soundguy quite early at sound check first. Explained the setup and what we needed, and made sure he cranked us through the stage monitors.

Only mistake I made was not asking for an even mix of both our guitars on both sides. We move around a lot so half the time, I was on the other side of the stage and never heard myself anyway, haha. And hearing JUST me in front of my pedalboard was quite unnerving. I relised I use too much compression on my lead patch as the volume increased dramatically during my solos (which actually really started me when I hit my first one, and completely through me off. All I could hear was my lead, haha)

Tone wise - much of the 'hhhm...this could have sounded better' was simply down to the amp I was emulation; the dual rect patch. I'm going to try the engl next show for a snappier, more twangy clear overdrive with less sag, or try the deizel or maybe even just the jcm800. Our other guitarist uses the SLO patch of the Axe Fx and has a really nice tone, I think a marshall style tone would compliment it much more than a modern dual rect.

But if anyone wants tips with the HD500 D.I patch, spend a lot of time with the cabinet deep editing functionality. The resonance function works a treat, and the 'thump' option works much better the higher you have the resonance.

So all n all, a success! Much more tweaking to be had and experimenting with amp + overdrive choice. i'm thinking of emulating the kerry king jcm800 tone before his 2203KK and do a graphic E.Q upside down smiley before a jcm800.

oh and it was our first proper show with our new drummer. His new drum skins looked AWESOME.



We've also been lucky enough to have Nuno Benncourt join us on bass!




and this is how much I liked my D.I setup.

[sevenstringj]

Originally Posted by xCaptainx

Tone wise - much of the 'hhhm...this could have sounded better' was simply down to the amp I was emulation; the dual rect patch. I'm going to try the engl next show for a snappier, more twangy clear overdrive with less sag, or try the diezel or maybe even just the jcm800. Our other guitarist uses the SLO patch of the Axe Fx and has a really nice tone, I think a marshall style tone would compliment it much more than a modern dual rect.

POD HD500 has a Diezel model? Or did you pull some ninja grammar and start talking about the Axe FX mid-sentence?

[T-e-r-r-y]

Originally Posted by sevenstringj

POD HD500 has a Diezel model? Or did you pull some ninja grammar and start talking about the Axe FX mid-sentence?

You have to buy it as part of a model pack called "Metal Shop" :

Line 6

I've been using the HD500 with my Laney GH50L hooked up via the four-cable method. My Laney does all the high gain stuff and I use the HD500 for effects and cleaner amp models. It's like giving my amp more channels!

[Mordacain]

Originally Posted by T-e-r-r-y

You have to buy it as part of a model pack called "Metal Shop" :

Line 6

I've been using the HD500 with my Laney GH50L hooked up via the four-cable method. My Laney does all the high gain stuff and I use the HD500 for effects and cleaner amp models. It's like giving my amp more channels!

Those are old models and are not compatible with the PODHD line.

[T-e-r-r-y]

Oops, my bad.

[cyril v]

Originally Posted by sevenstringj

POD HD500 has a Diezel model? Or did you pull some ninja grammar and start talking about the Axe FX mid-sentence?

He was probably thinking Bogner Uber, maybe?

[xCaptainx]

ah yes sorry, Bogner!

[MF_Kitten]

FWIW, the JCM800 model will mix well with almost any other amp model. The result is a really "loud" sounding tone (and not by adding more highs and lows at all), with a pleasant high end (at least when mixed with the recto).

The Fireball model is pretty awesome, and the Uberschall model is growly as ..... I'm not getting along with the recto model on it's own though, the high end just isn't the right kind for my taste. I have to work around it more than anything, ya know?

[MrPepperoniNipples]

Originally Posted by MF_Kitten

FWIW, the JCM800 model will mix well with almost any other amp model. The result is a really "loud" sounding tone (and not by adding more highs and lows at all), with a pleasant high end (at least when mixed with the recto).

The Fireball model is pretty awesome, and the Uberschall model is growly as ..... I'm not getting along with the recto model on it's own though, the high end just isn't the right kind for my taste. I have to work around it more than anything, ya know?

I've managed some decent rhythm tones out of the Rectifier but it took quite a bit of time and tinkering to get it

Ola's patch is pretty nice too, imo

[MF_Kitten]

Originally Posted by MrPepperoniNipples

I've managed some decent rhythm tones out of the Rectifier but it took quite a bit of time and tinkering to get it

Ola's patch is pretty nice too, imo

I haven't tried Ola's patch, but i don't use the built-in cab sims anyway, so i'm not too bothered. Probably wouldn't like it all that much, just like i didn't like Bulb's Pod XT tone. I love how they sound when the guys who made them are playing through them, but that just reveals how personal one's settings can be!

edit: try this patch: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/3782113/TIGH...AN%20TIGHT.h5e

Remove the compressor, and maybe the gate, that are at the end of the chain if you want to use cab sims with it. It'll spazz out and overload if you don't. If you do activate cab sims, you should also turn down the outputs on the amps (by the same amount) to avoid distorting the "vintage preamp" models, that are there to flip the phase on one amp and do some low and high end filtering.

[eastguitar]

Hello Friends!!

This is my new demo: Threshols. Recorded with my Pizarro Guitar 6 Strings (DiMarzio Pickups) and Line6 POD HD Pro.

Threshold by Esteban Soto T. on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

Greetings!!!

[fps]

Played the HD500 straight into a PA last night, gonna get a video of a song up soon if the performance is any good, really happy with the sound, loving the new cab settings with the amounts of thump and resonance, much more amp-like now even than before, and I was happy before!!

[Alekke]

Anyone tried to use BOOST COMP. instead of screamer?

I started to use it in my live setup with mesa model and I think it gives nice THUD to the sound and it becomes more beefy.

My settings are: Drive:45, Bass:0, Treble:75, Comp:30, Output:95


I would like to hear what you think of it!

[MF_Kitten]

Originally Posted by Alekke

Anyone tried to use BOOST COMP. instead of screamer?

I started to use it in my live setup with mesa model and I think it gives nice THUD to the sound and it becomes more beefy.

My settings are: Drive:45, Bass:0, Treble:75, Comp:30, Output:95


I would like to hear what you think of it!

i tried it out a bunch, but it never accentuated or removed the frequencies i wanted, and it doesn't boost much if you don't use the compressor function. It's good as a "gimme some more gain!" function though.

[Alekke]

For me, on settings above, it gives pretty much same effect as screamer only beefier.
Maybe it's my guitar cause its super bright so it fits.

[MF_Kitten]

Originally Posted by Alekke

For me, on settings above, it gives pretty much same effect as screamer only beefier.
Maybe it's my guitar cause its super bright so it fits.

yeah, it sounds like you're benefiting from the thing that i'm not

[sevenstringj]

Originally Posted by eastguitar

Hello Friends!!

This is my new demo: Threshols. Recorded with my Pizarro Guitar 6 Strings (DiMarzio Pickups) and Line6 POD HD Pro.

Threshold by Esteban Soto T. on SoundCloud - Create, record and share your sounds for free

Greetings!!!