Line 6 POD HD Thread

[Wookieslayer]

Originally Posted by Rev2010

These companies really need to hire REAL users to guide them to making the best products.
Rev.

[Rev2010]

OK, important here... turns out I was wrong about the GT-10 and it's effect spillover. I did a test just now and found it wasn't carrying over my delay tails. It was carrying my reverb between two patches (without delay), but when I tried to go from a delay patch to a clean patch it cutoff the tail. Rather annoyed I went back to the manual and noticed the small print that says for effects to carry over two things must be met:

1. The effect chain has to be the same
2. The delay timing must be the same

So WTF is the point of that!?? I'm so sick of companies dicking us around with claims and subprint. How hard is it to really make a ....ing delay continue to echo out when a preset changes? I know it's not THAT hard.

Meh, gonna return the GT-8 then and go with the HD500, might be more fun having 8 FX blocks that can be any effect, chaining several of the same effect in a row, like delays, can provide some interesting ambient textures.


Rev.

[Krankguitarist]

It may seem like a pretty small little feature to ask for, but behind the scenes things are a little more complicated than that. Every time a patch is changed the unit has to dump all the loaded models and load the new models...and while in recent years they've gotten that switching to be pretty damn fast, it's still not completely instantaneous.

Things used to be a lot worse...I have a first generation flextone that audibly drops out in a big way when I switch patches on it.

It seems like DSP just isn't *there* yet in these units, at least, not without making compromises. It's something of a pain in the ass, but it certainly isn't something that, with a little planning, a person can't work around.

That being said, I wonder if the Axe-FX carries delay/verb tails when changing patches? Any owners out there that could chime in?

[Rev2010]

Not sure if the Axe FX does it but it's not all that complicated at all, all the unit needs is a a buffer so to speak. As for "models", well I'm not using any. I'm just using effects only so the switch shouldn't require a ton of modeling calculations, not that most of these units really have lots of calculations anyway for models.

Let me put it like this... my $280 (at the time I bought it many many months ago) Intel Core i7 920 processor can handle more than I could possibly throw at it (and I have an electronic project that I use tons of VSTi synths and effects). I know I know, it's a sole processor, but point is I used VST effects when I had a 400mhz processor so there's no excuse for these unit's not being able to simply carry over one patch's delay/reverb over to another.


Rev.

[cyril v]

Hit them up and request the feature... I assume if enough people ask, maybe they'll eventually take the hint.

Line 6

[Rev2010]

Done, I've send them a "New feature suggestion" and also enquired about the lack of the feature for such an "advanced" unit.


Rev.

[Holy Katana]

Originally Posted by InAbsentia_

What I'm noticing in each clip of the HD is the picking response/nuances of each amp which I really haven't noticed in a modeller before. When people play with light picking it really comes through as light picking, and not just a lower volume version of a hard pick. That's really nice.

I think my Vox Valvetronix does that response very well. I've never owned a tube amp, but I've played through at least a dozen, and that dynamic thing is very well done in the Valvetronix. It's a shame that the high-gain models aren't as good as the low-gain ones, though. I've heard they've made them better in the newer versions, but I've never played them, so I can't say how they are.

It's cool that they've done it on a fully solid-state modeler, though.

I'm torn between getting one of these and a Blackstar HT-5.

[signalgrey]

brilliant neg repping job thanks.

[MaxOfMetal]

Originally Posted by signalgrey

brilliant neg repping job thanks.

Got a problem with rep PM one of us, don't just make a pointless post about it.

[Rev2010]

Originally Posted by Rev2010

OK, important here... turns out I was wrong about the GT-10 and it's effect spillover. I did a test just now and found it wasn't carrying over my delay tails.

Wanted to add an update on this, not trying to go off topic as I think it's still relevant being we were discussing the effect spillover thing. I found out quite by accident watching a YouTube vid a kickass way around the spillover with the GT-10. All I need to do is put the effects on Channel 1 and simply switch to Channel 2 (which can have different effects or just be clean) and the effects will continue to decay. I've tested it and it works flawlessly, no dropout or click or anything... smooth as butter.

It's still not the same as switching presets but it's still a viable way to go from one sound to another and keep the decay's going. The cool thing about the HD500 is you can assign *one* footswitch to do two functions such as turn off both delay and reverb. I haven't checked it out yet but I think the GT-10 can only control one parameter per pedal. But still, switching to another channel means I can go from a sound with 5 FX (for example) to none with one pedal press and keep the tails decaying. Pretty kickass nonetheless. Shit, I kind of want both... keep my GT-10 AND get the HD500. Just might be weird juggling two units.


Rev.

[silentrage]

http://rapidshare.com/files/42317337...D500.mp3?bin=1 just in case anyone missed this, it's a uberschall + uberkab solo clip.

[TMM]

Checked out that clip, & the clips on Line-6's site... sounds just like a PODxt / PODx3 to me. I should say, I've heard the xt & x3 sound as good... maybe with more post processing than this clip took, but still, seems like no huge improvement (again).

[silentrage]

Really? I thought it sounded way better than what I remembered the X3 sounded like...
But that was a long time ago so...

[cyril v]

New demo's... so much win.




I need to try one of these out asap, unfortunately no place I've called (guitar center, zzounds, americanmusical, musiciansfriend, etcetc)... none of them have a clue wtf the pod HD is apparently.

[ShadyDavey]

Sounds fookin' ubor - I need to sell my spare....lung?!?!?!

[Psychobuddy]

Oh shit. I'm sold, thanks for posting.

Now to track one down.

[Randy]

...soooo tempting....

[Isan]

Originally Posted by Randy

...soooo tempting....

it is between this and black star ht5
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[Ostia Man]

sounds way more realistic than any other pod i've heard
does it still have that small gap of silence when changing presets? thats really anoyng, and its the reason I didnt get an x3.
it doesnt have spill over delays so thats sad

[Isan]

no gap

[Andromalia]

Let me put it like this... my $280 (at the time I bought it many many months ago) Intel Core i7 920 processor can handle more than I could possibly throw at it (and I have an electronic project that I use tons of VSTi synths and effects). I know I know, it's a sole processor, but point is I used VST effects when I had a 400mhz processor so there's no excuse for these unit's not being able to simply carry over one patch's delay/reverb over to another.

Well, it's not a matter of processing power, it's a matter of cache memory. Fast access cache memory (well, fast memory period) is hideously expensive, and just adding more creates other problems (basically it's no use having a polished highway if there's only one lane, but if you have 4 lanes and the commuter has only 1....traffic jam)

Calculating the amp emulation isn't the issue. Storing all that data someplace else while the patch is being changed is. Keeping in mind power consumption follows: overclocking your RAM often necessitates increasing the voltage, which in turn increases heat, which in turn result in need for additional cooling...which must be powered. If you want to keep stuff reasonably sized and priced, you'll have limitations.

[Ostia Man]

Originally Posted by Andromalia

Well, it's not a matter of processing power, it's a matter of cache memory. Fast access cache memory (well, fast memory period) is hideously expensive, and just adding more creates other problems (basically it's no use having a polished highway if there's only one lane, but if you have 4 lanes and the commuter has only 1....traffic jam)

Calculating the amp emulation isn't the issue. Storing all that data someplace else while the patch is being changed is. Keeping in mind power consumption follows: overclocking your RAM often necessitates increasing the voltage, which in turn increases heat, which in turn result in need for additional cooling...which must be powered. If you want to keep stuff reasonably sized and priced, you'll have limitations.

my 1997 boss gt-5 can do the delay/reverb spill overs.....
$125 on ebay.....

[xCaptainx]

I've ready on another forum from line 6 that to have the delay/FX continue after changing patches, you'd have to have a sepeterate/dual processor. And given the hardware costs, for such a small need, it is REALLY needed?

I've got a Vetta and use delay on a variety of tracks for lead and ambient outro parts.

I switch from my main rhythm patch to my lead patch. I don't care if the delay doesnt cross over when I change, for me it's no different to turning my modtone delay pedal on and off with my previous non digital setup. And surely if I was so concerned about that, I could just put a delay setting on my initial patch and turn that on and off individually using my floorboard?

I mean seriously, if all the people butthurt about it not being featured, is it something that you would even be concerned about? I have a lead setting and play in a loud, technical death metal band. Live, if I switch back to my rhythm, I'm not THAT worried about delay decay or whatever. And it wont be a problem when recording cause I wont have to switch patches.

/rant

[MaxOfMetal]

Originally Posted by Ostia Man

my 1997 boss gt-5 can do the delay/reverb spill overs.....
$125 on ebay.....

Though, does that GT-5 have the capability to run as many effects with the same level of quality as these new PODs?

If so, then stick with it, as it's a much better deal.

[Variant]

Historically, Line 6's standpoint on spillover has been "Set up two tones, toggle back and forth". I suppose that can work in some instances.