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Unread 07-30-2010, 10:33 PM   #1
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Question Axe Fx...which poweramp?

Hi guys,
Decided to purchase an Axe Fx Ultra. I've matured a lot as a player this past year, and now need a versatile tool like the Axe to help facilitate all my new ideas.
Now, which poweramp should I buy? I won't be using the poweramp or cab sims in the axe. I want a high quality tube poweramp.
VHT/Fryette seems to be popular amongst Axe Fx users.
I can't decide between the 2/50/2 and the 2/90/2.
Wattage doesn't concern me, it's the tone/character of the amp that matters.
One uses EL34s, the other KT88s. I play everything from blues, to the most brutal metal. Will the 2/50/2 be sufficient for metal? Will it provide a decent low end?
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Unread 07-30-2010, 10:36 PM   #2
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The 2/50/2 will do metal. A better question is do you like the midrange response of EL34s?

Do you want the amp to sag a little or do you want it to be stiff, clear, and ultra fast? A VHT or Rivera will be the latter, a Mesa like a 295, 395, or Strategy 500 will sag a bit while the 50:50, 2:50, 2:90, 2:100, and Colliseum 300 will not.

Get a solid-state power amp and learn to use the power amp emulations and you can decide what power tubes and sag characteristics you want on a per patch basis.
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Unread 07-30-2010, 11:01 PM   #3
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Hi guys,
Decided to purchase an Axe Fx Ultra. I've matured a lot as a player this past year, and now need a versatile tool like the Axe to help facilitate all my new ideas.
Now, which poweramp should I buy? I won't be using the poweramp or cab sims in the axe. I want a high quality tube poweramp.
VHT/Fryette seems to be popular amongst Axe Fx users.
I can't decide between the 2/50/2 and the 2/90/2.
Wattage doesn't concern me, it's the tone/character of the amp that matters.
One uses EL34s, the other KT88s. I play everything from blues, to the most brutal metal. Will the 2/50/2 be sufficient for metal? Will it provide a decent low end?
2/90/2. The thing just thumps but has very very little coloration. Both poweramps have little coloration but KT88s have even less coloration and thump more.

For me, though any tube poweramp you run the Axe through colors what its trying to do even the VHTs. I run it FRFR... and will never go back.
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Unread 07-31-2010, 12:21 AM   #4
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Mesa 2:90 or 20:20 (or the Marshall 20/20) are my favorite poweramps, depending on whether or not you want to drive the power tubes hard or not.
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Unread 07-31-2010, 03:56 AM   #5
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Atomic MB-50. It has tubes AND lets you use the power amp sims
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...and it's not rackable.
I'd buy one, say, NOW if it was a 1u power amp instead of a blocky box.
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Just quit being lazy and carry an extra peice . Its only 15 lbs
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...and it's not rackable.
I'd buy one, say, NOW if it was a 1u power amp instead of a blocky box.
i hear, on here or maybe elsewhere, that they are thinking of making the atomic power amp into a rack unit, which would be sick, me thinks they should put a depth control on it too though, and 100 watts would be nice, but not necessary

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The idea of the axe fx is to be able to control the signal as a whole out to the speaker. If you buy a guitar power amp sure you will get a great sound but if you get a full range PA such as qsc, Carvin or even a powered speaker such as the ones Mackie has it will be alot easier dialing in the perfect tone. The guitar power amp puts its colour on the sound and you have to crank the shit out of it to make the tubes sing.

You will probably be really happy with one of those VHT power amps but part of the axe fx has the power amp simulation with a lot of good editing possibilities that will work so much better with a clean full range power amp.

I can play at almost zero volume at home with my rig but I can make the axe sound like a amp with a master volume pushed to eleven!

Btw I'm using a QSC plx1602 power amp. Good luck!

EDIT: didn't read your post to well. Now I saw you clearly wanted a high quality tube amp. But maybe my response can make you at least try out some other power amps.
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I'm really loving my 2/90/2s right now. There is some minor coloration to the tone, but it think it helps in every way. I have yet to come to a point where I was unable to dial in a specific tone with the poweramp/cab combination. There are so many tools in the Axe-FX for shaping tone. It's just a matter of learning how to use everything correctly. I think the Fryette 2/90/2 is the icing on the cake though. It just makes everything sound huge.

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Can't speak for others, but in my case, the goal is not to have to carry a cab at all. Hence the need for a power amp, and if possible a rack one. Granted the power amp colors the sound, but that's not really a problem if it colors the sound the way you want it. (ie, using a mesa power amp with a recto setting in the axe)
I don't see myself lugging a wedge every time to the practice place and back home.
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the goal is not to have to carry a cab at all. Hence the need for a power amp
If you aren't using a cab, then you don't need a poweramp. It sounds like you want to go direct into the PA, which is exactly what the Axe-FX does on its own.

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I am using a cab, just the cab that is at the rehearsal place, which doesn't have a PA worth using. ^^
I'm using a 20/20 with my axe for now because that's what I already have and it fits nicely with the axe and a power distributor in a 4U rack.
Plugged into the sound card at home without using the power amp, plugged into the cab at the rehearsal place using the power amp.
I of course could buy a wedge and lug it back and forth but I'd rather avoid it, especially since it would require the small thing of shelling more money, which I can't really do at the moment. ^^
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2/90/2. The thing just thumps but has very very little coloration. Both poweramps have little coloration but KT88s have even less coloration and thump more.

For me, though any tube poweramp you run the Axe through colors what its trying to do even the VHTs. I run it FRFR... and will never go back.
Let's get some of those patches, mang.

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Trust me...the 2/90/2 and 2/50/2 require being "lugged" around. They both weigh a ....in ton. You'd be looking at around $750 used for a 2/90/2 and $1000 for a 2/90/2. The atomic power amp is 15 lbs and $499 new.

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