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Unread 11-04-2009, 04:07 PM   #1
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Question 6505 for cheap or 6505+ for more?

hi all, another noob gear question from me. i have seen a 6505 in good condish for sale, and its not too badly priced. but should i spend more and get a new/newer 6505+? what would i be missing out on if i got a 6505?
would it be worth me getting, then selling once im use to it and get a 6505+?

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Unread 11-04-2009, 04:15 PM   #2
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if you care about clean get the + for me the clean on the 6505 is fine for as little as I use it so...
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It would be stupid to buy the 6505, then sell it (for a lower price) and buy a 6505+.
Either buy the 6505 or the 6505+.
They're different amps, the 6505 is a tad more aggressive than the 6505+.
6505 has only 1 EQ for both channels, making it not very versatile. 6505+ has seperate EQ for the rhythm/lead channel.
The +s distortion is a bit smoother, making it better for leads.
There have been loads of threads on this, so just try and figure out what you want.
IMO if you need crushing aggressive distortion and play mostly rhythm, get the 6505.
If you play lots of lead, want a more versatile amp and like a usable clean channel, get the 6505+
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Whats the price difference?

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6505+ for those of us who hate shared EQ's

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6505+ for those of us who hate shared EQ's
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I have my 6505+ on it's way to FJA mods to get it awesome-ified.
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I have my 6505+ on it's way to FJA mods to get it awesome-ified.
in what way do they mod it?
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in what way do they mod it?
It's just one guy, Jerry.
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Yeah, he basically will make your 5150/6505 (or any amp for that matter) much much better. He also does a lot of hardware mods and his custom work can get you just about whatever you want.
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I'd say get the 6505+. It has two separately EQ'ed channels which provides a lot of options and it sounds better for leads.
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I'd say get the 6505+. It has two separately EQ'ed channels which provides a lot of options and it sounds better for leads.
The crunch/clean channel behaves MUCH differently than the lead channel with the same settings, so having that different EQ is a must if you plan on doing anything with the clean channel.

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in my band, that i've only just joined, we dont realy use the clean, but it could always change.
the amp comes with a cab for less than i can get a new head for.
im going to pick up my guitar from the shop tomorrow, so i WILL try them both (keep telling myself that, and i may get the confidence to do it.lol.)
and make my mind up then.
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so, i've been, i've played, i want!!!!!
he turned it on, on any random settings, and i was like WOW!
im so gonna be getting one soon. before my 1st gig in this band on the 16th of dec.
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Go for the +. The shared eq leaves you without the ability to have a decent clean tone otherwise.
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it was the +, sounded mint, clean channel is decent, dont think i would use it much, but if money permits, i will have the plus and the clean will be there just incase. i will write stuff to make sure i get the full use out of it tho.
i can use with my cab at the moment, but hope it wont sound much differant.

can i ask, (noob question) what is a v30 cab?
also, what is meant by using a pedal to boost the gain? i dont get it, and cant find an explination that i can understand.lol.
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can i ask, (noob question) what is a v30 cab?
also, what is meant by using a pedal to boost the gain? i dont get it, and cant find an explination that i can understand.lol.
Thats a speaker cabinet loaded with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers. Some people love'em some hate' em all just personal preference.

a pedal boost is when you use an overdrive (or clean boost) pedal with the volume at ten and gain at zero after your guitar and before the amps input to "boost" your guitars signal and "push" the pre-amp tubes harder for more gain and clearer tone.

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Thats a speaker cabinet loaded with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers. Some people love'em some hate' em all just personal preference.

a pedal boost is when you use an overdrive (or clean boost) pedal with the volume at ten and gain at zero after your guitar and before the amps input to "boost" your guitars signal and "push" the pre-amp tubes harder for more gain and clearer tone.

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↲Ah,that makes sence.i thort it would be somethimg like that. Does it make a big differance then?worth doing? Is it jus any pedal,or does any specific pedal give best results?
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it does make a difference, tighter and more articulate tone.
People seem to prefer Maxon 808s, Maxon GT-ODs or Ibanez TS-808s (or modded TS-7s, which are the same for less money).
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Generally, any Overdrive will do. It increases the guitars signal and hits your amp hard.

Some overdrives work better than others.

Get something like Fzau mentioned and you will be fine.

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cool, i will stick that on the list too .
what about noise gate? would it be a good idea for that too?
i will just get the amp then see what i think, but i may aswell ask a few questions why i have your attention.lol.

anyone got any vids/youtube links of a pre-boosted sound then boosted?
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6505's are natorious for being loud, a noise suppressor is an absolute must for them.

I can't recommend the ISP Decimator's enough, you can get them for around $70 used if you look around. Much better than Boss NS-2's.
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+1 for the ISP Decimator, I'm getting one myself.
As for vids that compare boosted to non-boosted, I don't know any..
I'm not sure the quality of most Youtube vids can indicate the difference, but there is one nontheless. Your best bet would be to actually go to a music store which has the 6505+ on stock (or bring yours) and try the mentioned pedals in front of it.
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