6505 for cheap or 6505+ for more?

dudeskin · 11-04-2009, 04:07 PM

hi all, another noob gear question from me. i have seen a 6505 in good condish for sale, and its not too badly priced. but should i spend more and get a new/newer 6505+? what would i be missing out on if i got a 6505?
would it be worth me getting, then selling once im use to it and get a 6505+?

cheers
joe

155 · 11-04-2009, 04:15 PM

if you care about clean get the + for me the clean on the 6505 is fine for as little as I use it so...

Fzau · 11-04-2009, 04:24 PM

It would be stupid to buy the 6505, then sell it (for a lower price) and buy a 6505+.
Either buy the 6505 or the 6505+.
They're different amps, the 6505 is a tad more aggressive than the 6505+.
6505 has only 1 EQ for both channels, making it not very versatile. 6505+ has seperate EQ for the rhythm/lead channel.
The +s distortion is a bit smoother, making it better for leads.
There have been loads of threads on this, so just try and figure out what you want.
IMO if you need crushing aggressive distortion and play mostly rhythm, get the 6505.
If you play lots of lead, want a more versatile amp and like a usable clean channel, get the 6505+

CYBERSYN · 11-04-2009, 08:16 PM

Whats the price difference?

6505 = Cool Metal toanz
6505+ = Cool Metal toanz but a bit more versatile.

budda · 11-04-2009, 08:43 PM

6505+ for those of us who hate shared EQ's

kazE · 11-04-2009, 10:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budda

6505+ for those of us who hate shared EQ's

+1

I have my 6505+ on it's way to FJA mods to get it awesome-ified.

CAPTAIN SARG · 11-04-2009, 10:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by kazE

+1

I have my 6505+ on it's way to FJA mods to get it awesome-ified.

in what way do they mod it?

Derelict · 11-04-2009, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CAPTAIN SARG

in what way do they mod it?

It's just one guy, Jerry.
5150
There's the info you seek.

kazE · 11-04-2009, 11:52 PM

Yeah, he basically will make your 5150/6505 (or any amp for that matter) much much better. He also does a lot of hardware mods and his custom work can get you just about whatever you want.

budda · 11-05-2009, 07:04 AM

Don't get your amp modded until you know exactly what it is and isn't capable of, and you are still unsatisfied with only 1 aspect of your tone, and you know what area of the amp you want to improve on.

kazE · 11-05-2009, 10:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by budda

Don't get your amp modded until you know exactly what it is and isn't capable of, and you are still unsatisfied with only 1 aspect of your tone, and you know what area of the amp you want to improve on.

This.

Vigil87420 · 11-05-2009, 11:07 AM

I'd say get the 6505+. It has two separately EQ'ed channels which provides a lot of options and it sounds better for leads.

Groff · 11-05-2009, 11:15 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vigil87420

I'd say get the 6505+. It has two separately EQ'ed channels which provides a lot of options and it sounds better for leads.

The crunch/clean channel behaves MUCH differently than the lead channel with the same settings, so having that different EQ is a must if you plan on doing anything with the clean channel.

dudeskin · 11-05-2009, 03:45 PM

in my band, that i've only just joined, we dont realy use the clean, but it could always change.
the amp comes with a cab for less than i can get a new head for.
im going to pick up my guitar from the shop tomorrow, so i WILL try them both (keep telling myself that, and i may get the confidence to do it.lol.)
and make my mind up then.

dudeskin · 11-07-2009, 07:20 AM

so, i've been, i've played, i want!!!!!
he turned it on, on any random settings, and i was like WOW!
im so gonna be getting one soon. before my 1st gig in this band on the 16th of dec.
mmmmmmmmmm

kmanick · 11-07-2009, 10:20 AM

which one????

Andii · 11-07-2009, 10:22 AM

Go for the +. The shared eq leaves you without the ability to have a decent clean tone otherwise.

dudeskin · 11-07-2009, 12:12 PM

it was the +, sounded mint, clean channel is decent, dont think i would use it much, but if money permits, i will have the plus and the clean will be there just incase. i will write stuff to make sure i get the full use out of it tho.
i can use with my cab at the moment, but hope it wont sound much differant.

can i ask, (noob question) what is a v30 cab?
also, what is meant by using a pedal to boost the gain? i dont get it, and cant find an explination that i can understand.lol.

Heavy Ed · 11-07-2009, 01:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dudeskin

can i ask, (noob question) what is a v30 cab?
also, what is meant by using a pedal to boost the gain? i dont get it, and cant find an explination that i can understand.lol.

Thats a speaker cabinet loaded with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers. Some people love'em some hate' em all just personal preference.

a pedal boost is when you use an overdrive (or clean boost) pedal with the volume at ten and gain at zero after your guitar and before the amps input to "boost" your guitars signal and "push" the pre-amp tubes harder for more gain and clearer tone.

Hope that helps.

dudeskin · 11-07-2009, 05:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heavy Ed

Thats a speaker cabinet loaded with Celestion Vintage 30 speakers. Some people love'em some hate' em all just personal preference.

a pedal boost is when you use an overdrive (or clean boost) pedal with the volume at ten and gain at zero after your guitar and before the amps input to "boost" your guitars signal and "push" the pre-amp tubes harder for more gain and clearer tone.

Hope that helps.

↲Ah,that makes sence.i thort it would be somethimg like that. Does it make a big differance then?worth doing? Is it jus any pedal,or does any specific pedal give best results?

Fzau · 11-07-2009, 05:47 PM

it does make a difference, tighter and more articulate tone.
People seem to prefer Maxon 808s, Maxon GT-ODs or Ibanez TS-808s (or modded TS-7s, which are the same for less money).

CYBERSYN · 11-08-2009, 01:22 AM

Generally, any Overdrive will do. It increases the guitars signal and hits your amp hard.

Some overdrives work better than others.

Get something like Fzau mentioned and you will be fine.

dudeskin · 11-08-2009, 04:21 AM

cool, i will stick that on the list too

.
what about noise gate? would it be a good idea for that too?
i will just get the amp then see what i think, but i may aswell ask a few questions why i have your attention.lol.

anyone got any vids/youtube links of a pre-boosted sound then boosted?
cheers
joe

kazE · 11-08-2009, 08:59 AM

6505's are natorious for being loud, a noise suppressor is an absolute must for them.

I can't recommend the ISP Decimator's enough, you can get them for around $70 used if you look around. Much better than Boss NS-2's.

Fzau · 11-08-2009, 10:42 AM

+1 for the ISP Decimator, I'm getting one myself.
As for vids that compare boosted to non-boosted, I don't know any..
I'm not sure the quality of most Youtube vids can indicate the difference, but there is one nontheless. Your best bet would be to actually go to a music store which has the 6505+ on stock (or bring yours) and try the mentioned pedals in front of it.

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dudeskin SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nottingham Posts: 563 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	6505 for cheap or 6505+ for more? hi all, another noob gear question from me. i have seen a 6505 in good condish for sale, and its not too badly priced. but should i spend more and get a new/newer 6505+? what would i be missing out on if i got a 6505? would it be worth me getting, then selling once im use to it and get a 6505+? cheers joe

11-04-2009, 08:16 PM	#4
CYBERSYN CYBERnetic SYNergy Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sunny Coast, Australia Posts: 5,495 Thanked: 33 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Whats the price difference? 6505 = Cool Metal toanz 6505+ = Cool Metal toanz but a bit more versatile. Make a rule where, who ever messes up gets punched in the face. That is how I run my solo project. - Floppystrings Search this site by going to Google and adding site:sevenstring.org after your search word!

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11-04-2009, 04:15 PM	#2
155 SS.org Regular Join Date: Jun 2009 Location: ct Posts: 543 Thanked: 7 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	if you care about clean get the + for me the clean on the 6505 is fine for as little as I use it so...

11-04-2009, 04:24 PM	#3
Fzau Unleash the proggies Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 1,095 Thanked: 24 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	It would be stupid to buy the 6505, then sell it (for a lower price) and buy a 6505+. Either buy the 6505 or the 6505+. They're different amps, the 6505 is a tad more aggressive than the 6505+. 6505 has only 1 EQ for both channels, making it not very versatile. 6505+ has seperate EQ for the rhythm/lead channel. The +s distortion is a bit smoother, making it better for leads. There have been loads of threads on this, so just try and figure out what you want. IMO if you need crushing aggressive distortion and play mostly rhythm, get the 6505. If you play lots of lead, want a more versatile amp and like a usable clean channel, get the 6505+

11-04-2009, 11:52 PM	#9
kazE Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 473 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Yeah, he basically will make your 5150/6505 (or any amp for that matter) much much better. He also does a lot of hardware mods and his custom work can get you just about whatever you want.

11-05-2009, 11:07 AM	#12
Vigil87420 ss.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Peoria, IL Posts: 177 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I'd say get the 6505+. It has two separately EQ'ed channels which provides a lot of options and it sounds better for leads.

11-05-2009, 03:45 PM	#14
dudeskin SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nottingham Posts: 563 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	in my band, that i've only just joined, we dont realy use the clean, but it could always change. the amp comes with a cab for less than i can get a new head for. im going to pick up my guitar from the shop tomorrow, so i WILL try them both (keep telling myself that, and i may get the confidence to do it.lol.) and make my mind up then.

11-07-2009, 07:20 AM	#15
dudeskin SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nottingham Posts: 563 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	so, i've been, i've played, i want!!!!! he turned it on, on any random settings, and i was like WOW! im so gonna be getting one soon. before my 1st gig in this band on the 16th of dec. mmmmmmmmmm

11-07-2009, 10:20 AM	#16
kmanick SS Contributor Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: BOSTON Posts: 6,523 Thanked: 86 Feedback Score: 14 reviews	which one???? Axe Fx II in da house

11-07-2009, 10:22 AM	#17
Andii Captain tying knots Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: SC Posts: 1,439 Thanked: 36 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Go for the +. The shared eq leaves you without the ability to have a decent clean tone otherwise.

11-07-2009, 12:12 PM	#18
dudeskin SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nottingham Posts: 563 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	it was the +, sounded mint, clean channel is decent, dont think i would use it much, but if money permits, i will have the plus and the clean will be there just incase. i will write stuff to make sure i get the full use out of it tho. i can use with my cab at the moment, but hope it wont sound much differant. can i ask, (noob question) what is a v30 cab? also, what is meant by using a pedal to boost the gain? i dont get it, and cant find an explination that i can understand.lol.

11-07-2009, 05:47 PM	#21
Fzau Unleash the proggies Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 1,095 Thanked: 24 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	it does make a difference, tighter and more articulate tone. People seem to prefer Maxon 808s, Maxon GT-ODs or Ibanez TS-808s (or modded TS-7s, which are the same for less money).

11-08-2009, 01:22 AM	#22
CYBERSYN CYBERnetic SYNergy Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sunny Coast, Australia Posts: 5,495 Thanked: 33 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Generally, any Overdrive will do. It increases the guitars signal and hits your amp hard. Some overdrives work better than others. Get something like Fzau mentioned and you will be fine. Make a rule where, who ever messes up gets punched in the face. That is how I run my solo project. - Floppystrings Search this site by going to Google and adding site:sevenstring.org after your search word!

11-08-2009, 04:21 AM	#23
dudeskin SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: nottingham Posts: 563 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	cool, i will stick that on the list too . what about noise gate? would it be a good idea for that too? i will just get the amp then see what i think, but i may aswell ask a few questions why i have your attention.lol. anyone got any vids/youtube links of a pre-boosted sound then boosted? cheers joe

11-08-2009, 08:59 AM	#24
kazE Join Date: Aug 2009 Location: Upstate NY Posts: 473 Thanked: 5 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	6505's are natorious for being loud, a noise suppressor is an absolute must for them. I can't recommend the ISP Decimator's enough, you can get them for around $70 used if you look around. Much better than Boss NS-2's.

11-08-2009, 10:42 AM	#25
Fzau Unleash the proggies Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Antwerp, Belgium Posts: 1,095 Thanked: 24 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	+1 for the ISP Decimator, I'm getting one myself. As for vids that compare boosted to non-boosted, I don't know any.. I'm not sure the quality of most Youtube vids can indicate the difference, but there is one nontheless. Your best bet would be to actually go to a music store which has the 6505+ on stock (or bring yours) and try the mentioned pedals in front of it.

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