[darren]

Originally Posted by budda

*a dimed 18W amp is NOT gonna be much quieter then a cranked up 100W amp...*

darren, the Trinity's are Canadian made . but for cost for a completed amp, Ceriatone is the way to go.

The Ceriatone "complete amps" are a little less expensive, but i think the Trinity versions have more features... it's hard to tell because Ceriatone's site includes absolutely NO information about the features and specs of their different 18W amp variations. Trinity appears to be evolving the amp designs slightly, adding tone stacks boosts and channel switching.

[Bound]

I saw you had the Laney Lionheart on there, but I think the TT20 would probably be a more economical choice, and imho a better sounding amp.

[playstopause]

Originally Posted by TMM

Single-channel doesn't bother me at all. Does it still get a good high-gain tone? Also, have you ever had the chance to play the Tourmaster? If so, does the Rebel sound similar? Because I loved the Tourmaster.

I really appreciate the feedback!

Never had a chance to play the Tourmaster, so I can't tell.

The Rebel is ok for high gain, but with a boost (IMO). I use my Bloody Murder with the level almost maxed out in front of it (+ I use an EQ in the loop to bring the overall output down so I can crank the master and push the tubes some more). It could also use some other tubes (higher gain) than the stock ones, wich are GT Sovtek. I pna to change them at some point, just to see.

FWIW, here's a couple of quick vids I made :







You can find many other clips by other users on youtube.

[Deschain]

Originally Posted by Fiz

What about Blackstar HT-5?

Good call. They look pretty neat. Expensive though....

[budda]

Originally Posted by darren

The Ceriatone "complete amps" are a little less expensive, but i think the Trinity versions have more features... it's hard to tell because Ceriatone's site includes absolutely NO information about the features and specs of their different 18W amp variations. Trinity appears to be evolving the amp designs slightly, adding tone stacks boosts and channel switching.

i haven't hit up the trinity site yet, cheers for the features info .

I think Ceriatone lists the specs of their amps

[TMM]

The Blackstar HT-5H and Laney TT20 are definitely entering the list... those look very promising. The Blackstar is actually reasonably affordable, and I've been curious about their amps anyway.

1) Bogner Alchemist
2) Egnater Rebel
3) Krank Rev Jr Pro
4) Blackstar HT-5H
5) Orange Tiny Terror
6) Laney TT20
<--7) Laney Lionheart-->
<--8) Blackheart BH5H-->

[gunshow86de]

I know it's not on your list, but you should check out a Mesa F-30 combo. At 30 watts it's quiet enough for practice (I live in a 1 bedroom apartment). It has excellent metal tone when you hit the contour switch, the sound is somewhat like older Dual Rectifiers. It also has direct outputs for recording.

[darren]

I love my F-30.

[TMM]

Wow... I just looked up the Blackstar HT-5H on YouTube, etc, and that is a pretty damn nice sounding amp for $300 new. That may have to come into my possession sooner rather than later.

I mean, I know this isn't 'metal', persay, but...

[-Cetanu-]

ENGL E530 ? (it has a stereo 1.5 watt power amp)

[killiansguitar]

Originally Posted by gunshow86de

I know it's not on your list, but you should check out a Mesa F-30 combo. At 30 watts it's quiet enough for practice (I live in a 1 bedroom apartment). It has excellent metal tone when you hit the contour switch, the sound is somewhat like older Dual Rectifiers. It also has direct outputs for recording.

Originally Posted by darren

I love my F-30.

Agreed. I just scooped up an F-30 combo last tuesday, and my god i havent even fired up my Mark IV since. Spectacular little amp.

[Fiz]

Here's a pretty decent Blackstar HT-5 clip covering sounds a bit more on the heavier side too!

[newfinator]

I haven't heard anyone mention the Hughes & Kettner Metal Shredder for years. I have one and it's a pretty cool little thing, though the Blackstar is easily better as are some others on your list. When I use it I run it through a 4x12 Marshall. If I recall George Lynch used it one something a very long time ago.

[darren]

Originally Posted by killiansguitar

Agreed. I just scooped up an F-30 combo last tuesday, and my god i havent even fired up my Mark IV since. Spectacular little amp.

I'd love to try it through a big 4x12. Even using a pair of 1x12 Thiele cabs, my li'l F-30 head is LOUD and sounds HUGE!

[ToTheCore92]

You should look into the ENGL fireball or the screamer. ENGL has a tendency of sounding pretty damn good at low volumes IMO. the fireball is 60 watt and screamer is 50, both all tube. the screamer runs for around $1K new and the fireball $1.4K. you can find one used pretty cheap though, i got a fireball for around 650 used. they have the ENGL sparkling cleans and the thrust you by the balls distortion i would look into those.

[-Cetanu-]

Originally Posted by ToTheCore92

the fireball is 60 watt

The truth is.. the fireball only has 30-35 watt.

[TMM]

Originally Posted by ToTheCore92

You should look into the ENGL fireball or the screamer. ENGL has a tendency of sounding pretty damn good at low volumes IMO. the fireball is 60 watt and screamer is 50, both all tube. the screamer runs for around $1K new and the fireball $1.4K. you can find one used pretty cheap though, i got a fireball for around 650 used. they have the ENGL sparkling cleans and the thrust you by the balls distortion i would look into those.

With the exception of the Alchemist, you may have noted that everything else on the (important part of) the list can be obtained for around $300-$400 (depending on the amp, new or used), so either of those is definitely pushing the limits.

That, and I actually don't like either amp. I've played both, as well as the Invader, the SE, the 620, and the 530, and the ENGL tone just doesn't seem to do it for me. I much prefer just about anything I've played from H&K for my German tones.

[-Cetanu-]

Originally Posted by TMM

I much prefer just about anything I've played from H&K for my German tones.

Great Amps.

[TMM]

Originally Posted by -Cetanu-

Great Amps.

Truth.

I was about to edit my previous post to add Bogner to that statement, but aside from the Alchemist and Uberschall, I never really liked those much either. The Shiva and Metropolis just were not my style at all. Even the Uberschall was a little on the edge of what I would want for a tone, but made up for it with enormous testicular fortitude.

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