[pic] Behringer "tube" pedals

skinhead · 02-11-2008, 11:08 PM

Look what this guys do

02-11-2008, 11:14 PM

If I remember correctly the tubes are still connected, and if I remember there was some high end gear that did the same;

Quote:

"There is a light behind the tube only because its a starved plate design that Behringer implements. Its sort of a hybrid between solid state, and vacume tube. They put the lights behind it because customers "expect it to glow" Now you or I could be sitting here killing ourselves laughing (which lets face it, we should be as its pretty funny. However, it is in the chain, just not as much as I would like!"

Apophis · 02-12-2008, 08:48 AM

I see first time something like that

playstopause · 02-12-2008, 09:48 AM

I don't get this...

HighGain510 · 02-12-2008, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by Desecrated

If I remember correctly the tubes are still connected, and if I remember there was some high end gear that did the same;

Yeah I don't know about that.... the tubes in an Engl have backlit LEDs behind them but the tubes are still glowing!

Seems fishy....

eaeolian · 02-12-2008, 10:18 AM

A lot of processors are using "starved plate" designs so they don't have to deliver high voltages to the tubes inside, but the tubes still alter the tone. Tubes don't really "glow" in these designs, so Behringer added some PR enhancers, I guess.

02-12-2008, 10:21 AM

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Originally Posted by eaeolian

A lot of processors are using "starved plate" designs so they don't have to deliver high voltages to the tubes inside, but the tubes still alter the tone. Tubes don't really "glow" in these designs, so Behringer added some PR enhancers, I guess.

Yes, because kids don't know this stuff, so if the tubes aren't glowing they will think it's broken.

eaeolian · 02-12-2008, 10:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Desecrated

Yes, because kids don't know this stuff, so if the tubes aren't glowing they will think it's broken.

It's pretty damn funny, though.

LordOVchaoS · 02-12-2008, 10:46 AM

You simply can not light up a tube with 9 volts, can't be done. The tube is working and coloring the tone but it just won't light up. There are actually three ways you can use a tube in a pedal and I personally don't like the tone of any of them. The LEDs are purely cosmetic.

Some preamp tubes don't light up even in amps... mine don't. They're lit but the filament is encased so you can't see the light

Thank god for Engl and their LEDs.

noodles · 02-12-2008, 11:06 AM

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Originally Posted by LordOVchaoS

You simply can not light up a tube with 9 volts, can't be done. The tube is working and coloring the tone but it just won't light up. There are actually three ways you can use a tube in a pedal and I personally don't like the tone of any of them. The LEDs are purely cosmetic.

I dig the Mesa V-Twin, but a big case with two tubes and a dedicated power supply doesn't really qualify as a pedal.

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Some preamp tubes don't light up even in amps... mine don't. They're lit but the filament is encased so you can't see the light

Thank god for Engl and their LEDs.

Most people seem to forget that they are supposed to be vaccum tubes, which means they are not really supposed to glow. Since we cannot get a perfect vaccum, the glow comes from the burning of trace gases, and becomes brighter the more power you push through them. Generally, preamp tubes look like a little dot of light to me.

LordOVchaoS · 02-12-2008, 11:17 AM

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Originally Posted by noodles

I dig the Mesa V-Twin, but a big case with two tubes and a dedicated power supply doesn't really qualify as a pedal.

Agreed! It's a preamp not a pedal. I ran one of those into the effects return of a Blue Voodoo at a friends house and I'll be damned if it didn't slay!

noodles · 02-12-2008, 11:19 AM

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Originally Posted by LordOVchaoS

Agreed! It's a preamp not a pedal. I ran one of those into the effects return of a Blue Voodoo at a friends house and I'll be damned if it didn't slay!

I saw a blues/rock bar band one night, and the guy was playing a Floyded Strat into a V Twin and Marshall JMP(?) 2x12 combo. rolled back the volumes for cleans, up for gritty rhythms, and the two differnent settings on on the V Twin for heavier rhythms and leads. He sounded absolutely amazing. Those "pedals" made his Marshall sound like it was going to explode!

SHREDTOKILL · 02-12-2008, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by LordOVchaoS

You simply can not light up a tube with 9 volts, can't be done. The tube is working and coloring the tone but it just won't light up. There are actually three ways you can use a tube in a pedal and I personally don't like the tone of any of them. The LEDs are purely cosmetic.

Some preamp tubes don't light up even in amps... mine don't. They're lit but the filament is encased so you can't see the light

Thank god for Engl and their LEDs.

i installed some leds in my b52 because im cheap and cant afford a engl haha.

Drew · 02-12-2008, 01:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by eaeolian

A lot of processors are using "starved plate" designs so they don't have to deliver high voltages to the tubes inside, but the tubes still alter the tone. Tubes don't really "glow" in these designs, so Behringer added some PR enhancers, I guess.

I actually remember reading a review of an acoustic onboard preamp that used a tube in this manner to slow down the transients on a piezo, and evidently sounded godly doing so.

starsnuffer · 02-12-2008, 01:49 PM

But it has the SOUL OF VALVES!

Tubes live in digital gear for a singular reason.

To get the unknowledgable to buy the gear. Most of the "starved plate" designs aren't even using the tubes as a transistor, but rather simply passing the signal through the tube.

-W

Ishan · 02-14-2008, 05:24 PM

The Vox Tonelab/ADxxVT serie do the same (orange LED), and the tube is working DAMN FINE, it does the retro tube amp really well

They don't use starvation mode but another, I can't remember how it works.

budda · 02-14-2008, 05:47 PM

every once in a while i'll see a V-twin for sale locally.. i never have $300 to drop on it thought.

i'd love to try one.

LordOVchaoS · 02-14-2008, 05:56 PM

They can be used in the starved plate method, in place of a clipping diode, or as a buffer that colors the tone a bit. I don't think anybody uses them just for looks.

skinhead · 03-27-2008, 07:30 PM

for some intereseting shit

Will you ever buy Behringer equipment again after reading this?

Chris · 03-27-2008, 07:36 PM

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Originally Posted by skinhead

Look what this guys do

That's not a pedal, btw, it's a 1U rack unit.

Behringer MIC2200 Ultragain Pro from zZounds.com!

NegaTiveXero · 03-27-2008, 07:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skinhead

for some intereseting shit

Will you ever buy Behringer equipment again after reading this?

That guy's an idiot.

Randomist · 03-27-2008, 08:15 PM

I might still buy behringer... I haven't yet owned any behringer kit, but some form of small and quiet amplification device for my flat or the shared house i move into in june would be good, i'm not letting this idiot put me off. I'll listen, and I'll decide, and if the tubes aren't connected, who gives a flying f*ck, if it still sounds good, get it. It is behringer, its not going to cost the world because OMGZ A TOOBZ

LordOVchaoS · 03-27-2008, 08:46 PM

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Originally Posted by NegaTiveXero

That guy's an idiot.

As stated before my preamp tubes don't light up either. I'm pretty sure the tubes in the preamp of my Invader are connected to the circuit

ZOMG though!!! There's LEDs behind the power tubes! Must be a solid state poweramp

NegaTiveXero · 03-27-2008, 08:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LordOVchaoS

My preamp as stated before my preamp tubes don't light up either. I'm pretty sure the tubes in the preamp of my Invader are connected to the circuit

ZOMG though!!! There's LEDs behind the power tubes! Must be a solid state poweramp

ZOMG!!!

skinhead · 03-27-2008, 11:45 PM

I don't give a fuck about what that guy says. I'll buy some stuff from behringer, cause they have a lot of products at a very accesible price.

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Randomist ss.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Leeds Posts: 143 Thanked: 0	I might still buy behringer... I haven't yet owned any behringer kit, but some form of small and quiet amplification device for my flat or the shared house i move into in june would be good, i'm not letting this idiot put me off. I'll listen, and I'll decide, and if the tubes aren't connected, who gives a flying f*ck, if it still sounds good, get it. It is behringer, its not going to cost the world because OMGZ A TOOBZ

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