Saving up for a new amp.

Vermillion · 01-09-2008, 03:15 PM

So im embarking on the saving up process for a new amp set up.

Im looking into a few amps right now. The 6505+, ENGL powerball, and Framus cobra.

Im looking for a sound that is on the likes of nevermore and killswitch sounding. I need to have a great clean channel and a insane distortion sound.

What should i all get. Im sure id need a noise gate, compressor, and all that jazz. Im not much on amp gear, ive never embarked on a full on set up and i think its time.

any help would be great.

I also seen that alot of people plug a pod xt into there amps for clean sounds... how does this work? how do you switch from the podxt and the distortion of the amp?
sorry for all the questions, and i would search but for some reason the search function doesnt like me. LOL

Apophis · 01-09-2008, 03:17 PM

I vote for ENGL

loktide · 01-09-2008, 03:25 PM

ENGL

VicerExciser · 01-09-2008, 03:26 PM

ENGL ftmfw

zimbloth · 01-09-2008, 03:27 PM

The people above aren't really understanding what you're looking for. In terms of the sound you're going for, an ENGL would be a big mistake. Killswitch and Nevermore is more of a Peavey/Mesa type sound. The 6505+/5150 II is cool, it's a little too smooth though IMO, not really that aggressive sounding compared to the 5150. Framus Cobra would be a great way to go. A Mesa or VHT amp would suit you well too I think. ENGLs are cool but the midrange character you're going for won't be found there.

You don't need a compressor. Noise gate and tube screamer is all you'll need.

Summary: Framus Cobra, Peavey 5150, Mesa Dual Rectifier, VHT Pittbull, etc.

ShawnFjellstad · 01-09-2008, 03:37 PM

the last killswitch record was made with a 6505 and framus dragon, so i vote for either of those.

what framus head do you have now?

7StringofAblicK · 01-09-2008, 05:17 PM

I heard the last killswitch CD was a Soldano?

Fuck I dunno lol

They are definitely not Engl tones, even though Jeff Loomis is now using them. You will notice a difference in his sound.

Stitch · 01-09-2008, 05:17 PM

Nope, definitely Dragon + 5150/6505

FoxZero · 01-09-2008, 05:32 PM

I vote the Framus Cobra. From the clips I've heard it's similar to a 5150, only I think it sounds better. Plus I think the cleans sound amazing too. It's a highly versital amp so you could deffinately find your sound with it.

It's what I have my heart set on. Ibenzorange should back me up

ShawnFjellstad · 01-09-2008, 05:33 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stitch

Nope, definitely Dragon + 5150/6505

yep.

that tone.

Vermillion · 01-10-2008, 07:52 PM

does anyone have sound clips on engls or framus for comparison.

oh and i dont have framus it says that in my profile that i have one, but that was way back in the day, when i was about to pick one up but ran into financial troubles. so...

7slinger · 01-10-2008, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vermillion

does anyone have sound clips on engls or framus for comparison.

oh and i dont have framus it says that in my profile that i have one, but that was way back in the day, when i was about to pick one up but ran into financial troubles. so...

Sound Bytes

Vermillion · 01-10-2008, 10:04 PM

THANK YOU GOOD SIR!

i really like the sound of those engls....

ibznorange · 01-11-2008, 12:54 AM

framus cobra is AMAZING. amp of choice. straight up. MAYBE a brunetti, but that cobra... mmmmmm
no clipz, but it is SUPER tight, From what ive heard it does well with the darker mesa tubes

Jason · 01-11-2008, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vermillion

THANK YOU GOOD SIR!

i really like the sound of those engls....

Listen to Zimbloth he knows what he is talking about. KSE tone is totally the 5150/framus. Engl is too smooth and the mids aren't right

Edroz · 01-11-2008, 02:04 AM

Jeff Loomis has used just about every amp under the sun through the years (Dual Recs, XXX, Krank, ENGL, Line 6...), i think it's safe to say that with the right tweaking, any modern hi gain head should get you close.

i would recommend a Brunetti Pirata or Brunetti XLII R-Evo or a VHT Pittbull UL/ CLX/ CL as i think they smoke all the amps you mentioned, but these have a distinct voice and feel that might not be for everyone.

ibznorange · 01-11-2008, 02:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Edroz

i would recommend a Brunetti Pirata or Brunetti XLII R-Evo

:lust:

budda · 01-11-2008, 04:59 AM

ed what was the damage on the R-evo?

ibznorange · 01-11-2008, 07:00 AM

after imports and shit, iirc youre looking at around 4100

Edroz · 01-11-2008, 08:06 AM

yeah, Brunetti is not cheap... mainly has to do with them not having any (at least i think they don't have any

) US distribution, so they're a little pricy to get over here new. they do pop up on ebay every now and then, i got my Pirata 141 used on ebay in dead mint condition for $1599, and ive seen a few XLII R-Evos go for around $2000. so they can be had for a decent price if you're patient.

budda · 01-11-2008, 08:25 AM

good to know, thanks

JJ Rodriguez · 01-11-2008, 08:27 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ibznorange

after imports and shit, iirc youre looking at around 4100

Is it delivered by a really hot, horny, and naked chick?

01-09-2008, 03:15 PM	#1
Vermillion ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cottage grove, MN Posts: 50 Thanked: 4 / 1	Saving up for a new amp. So im embarking on the saving up process for a new amp set up. Im looking into a few amps right now. The 6505+, ENGL powerball, and Framus cobra. Im looking for a sound that is on the likes of nevermore and killswitch sounding. I need to have a great clean channel and a insane distortion sound. What should i all get. Im sure id need a noise gate, compressor, and all that jazz. Im not much on amp gear, ive never embarked on a full on set up and i think its time. any help would be great. I also seen that alot of people plug a pod xt into there amps for clean sounds... how does this work? how do you switch from the podxt and the distortion of the amp? sorry for all the questions, and i would search but for some reason the search function doesnt like me. LOL

01-09-2008, 03:17 PM	#2
Apophis ROTER CUSTOM GUITARS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 17,471 Thanked: 67	I vote for ENGL __________________

01-09-2008, 03:26 PM	#4
VicerExciser Jack the Ripper Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Indio, California Posts: 1,111 Thanked: 16	ENGL ftmfw __________________ Looking to buy a 5150II/6505+! PM me!

01-09-2008, 03:37 PM	#6
ShawnFjellstad hates womanizers. Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: California, USA, fra Bergen, Norge Posts: 4,297 Thanked: 38	the last killswitch record was made with a 6505 and framus dragon, so i vote for either of those. what framus head do you have now? __________________ I'm typing this on my knees with my butt in the air. -Drew

01-09-2008, 05:17 PM	#7
7StringofAblicK Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Kentucky Posts: 2,930 Thanked: 25 $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $7StringofAblicK is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	I heard the last killswitch CD was a Soldano? Fuck I dunno lol They are definitely not Engl tones, even though Jeff Loomis is now using them. You will notice a difference in his sound. __________________ Ramen!

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01-09-2008, 03:25 PM	#3
loktide Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Heidelberg, Germany Posts: 3,741 Thanked: 59	ENGL

01-09-2008, 03:27 PM	#5
zimbloth Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Boston Posts: 15,112 Thanked: 140	The people above aren't really understanding what you're looking for. In terms of the sound you're going for, an ENGL would be a big mistake. Killswitch and Nevermore is more of a Peavey/Mesa type sound. The 6505+/5150 II is cool, it's a little too smooth though IMO, not really that aggressive sounding compared to the 5150. Framus Cobra would be a great way to go. A Mesa or VHT amp would suit you well too I think. ENGLs are cool but the midrange character you're going for won't be found there. You don't need a compressor. Noise gate and tube screamer is all you'll need. Summary: Framus Cobra, Peavey 5150, Mesa Dual Rectifier, VHT Pittbull, etc.

01-09-2008, 05:17 PM	#8
Stitch Banned Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Edinburgh, Scotland Posts: 7,906 Thanked: 126	Nope, definitely Dragon + 5150/6505

01-09-2008, 05:32 PM	#9
FoxZero Zero Imperfections Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: West Chester, PA Posts: 890 Thanked: 9	I vote the Framus Cobra. From the clips I've heard it's similar to a 5150, only I think it sounds better. Plus I think the cleans sound amazing too. It's a highly versital amp so you could deffinately find your sound with it. It's what I have my heart set on. Ibenzorange should back me up __________________ My Site http://foxzero.net/ My band's site http://wolf-hybrid.net/

01-10-2008, 07:52 PM	#11
Vermillion ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cottage grove, MN Posts: 50 Thanked: 4 / 1	does anyone have sound clips on engls or framus for comparison. oh and i dont have framus it says that in my profile that i have one, but that was way back in the day, when i was about to pick one up but ran into financial troubles. so...

01-10-2008, 10:04 PM	#13
Vermillion ss.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Cottage grove, MN Posts: 50 Thanked: 4 / 1	THANK YOU GOOD SIR! i really like the sound of those engls....

01-11-2008, 12:54 AM	#14
ibznorange Chief Officer/RHLC © Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 8,328 Thanked: 59	framus cobra is AMAZING. amp of choice. straight up. MAYBE a brunetti, but that cobra... mmmmmm no clipz, but it is SUPER tight, From what ive heard it does well with the darker mesa tubes __________________ Reverse Headstocks or Bust ALL HEIL THE ADMINISHREDDER!

01-11-2008, 02:04 AM	#16
Edroz new album soon! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,696 Thanked: 28	Jeff Loomis has used just about every amp under the sun through the years (Dual Recs, XXX, Krank, ENGL, Line 6...), i think it's safe to say that with the right tweaking, any modern hi gain head should get you close. i would recommend a Brunetti Pirata or Brunetti XLII R-Evo or a VHT Pittbull UL/ CLX/ CL as i think they smoke all the amps you mentioned, but these have a distinct voice and feel that might not be for everyone. __________________ www.myspace.com/eddrozdowsky www.seasonofmourning.com www.insatanity.com www.myspace.com/insatanity http://www.vadercabinets.com/id3.html

01-11-2008, 04:59 AM	#18
budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London ONT Posts: 15,484 Thanked: 132	ed what was the damage on the R-evo? __________________ Resident counsellor-in-training, awesome dude, and all around nice guy

01-11-2008, 07:00 AM	#19
ibznorange Chief Officer/RHLC © Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Tucson, AZ Posts: 8,328 Thanked: 59	after imports and shit, iirc youre looking at around 4100 __________________ Reverse Headstocks or Bust ALL HEIL THE ADMINISHREDDER!

01-11-2008, 08:06 AM	#20
Edroz new album soon! Join Date: Sep 2006 Location: New Jersey, USA Posts: 3,696 Thanked: 28	yeah, Brunetti is not cheap... mainly has to do with them not having any (at least i think they don't have any ) US distribution, so they're a little pricy to get over here new. they do pop up on ebay every now and then, i got my Pirata 141 used on ebay in dead mint condition for $1599, and ive seen a few XLII R-Evos go for around $2000. so they can be had for a decent price if you're patient. __________________ www.myspace.com/eddrozdowsky www.seasonofmourning.com www.insatanity.com www.myspace.com/insatanity http://www.vadercabinets.com/id3.html

01-11-2008, 08:25 AM	#21
budda Guiterrorizer Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: London ONT Posts: 15,484 Thanked: 132	good to know, thanks __________________ Resident counsellor-in-training, awesome dude, and all around nice guy

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