Turning a standard 6-string into a low-tuned monster?

KholdStare · 06-23-2008, 07:40 PM

Hey everyone, I wasn't sure which section to post this thread, but I decided to put it here

Basically, this fall, I'm planning on getting my first 7 (hopefully a Carvin), and
so, since I always crave to play along with Meshuggah songs, I thought of putting
some really thick-ass strings on my Ibanez 6-string to tune it down to F#, since
I will have the Carvin to play in standard.

However, since it's only 25.5" scale... will it sound like crap? Also what 6-string
pickups would you guys recommend for those insanely low tunings?
The guitar is just a crappy RG350EX.

Any thoughts welcome.

Brendan G · 06-23-2008, 07:43 PM

It more than likely wouldn't work out well, because of the scale length, you would need new strings that would be too thick and your nut would have to be re-filed, and the pickups aren't meant to pick up frequencies that low.

KholdStare · 06-23-2008, 09:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Brendan G

It more than likely wouldn't work out well, because of the scale length, you would need new strings that would be too thick and your nut would have to be re-filed, and the pickups aren't meant to pick up frequencies that low.

Yeah, I thought so... Thing is, I have a feeling I will have no use for the guitar
at all, since it's got quite a lot of wear (wouldn't sell, and I would play only the carvin lol).
So I thought to make it a riff machine to unleash teh b00talz from time to time-
obviously not caring too much about the quality. Now that the F# is out of the
question, does anyone have any suggestions to the lowest possible tuning the ibanez
can handle?

( I probably sound like an idiot, "I n33dZ teh low3st tunez0r for br00talz", but
I've been stuck in E-standard for 2 whole years... I neeeeed it

)

gaunten · 06-23-2008, 09:49 PM

ehhm, isn't the stephen carpenter 8 string esp 25.5 scale?
also, roter has built two 23"!!! scale 9 stringers tuned to F#,(shred guitars) which according to him sounds ok, although he has like a 110 string on them.
but I think it's as much the tension as it is the scale length, just file up your nut (maybe you have to modify the bridge as well) and put on a 080 or 090 string or whatever, and get yourself a lundgren M6

If you think it's worth it on a crap guitar, but on the other hand, the only thing that will cost you is basically the pickup, and you might have other uses for that later.

Ishan · 06-24-2008, 12:46 AM

Stef's guitars are both 27" scale, the FM408 is 25.5". It should work but is not optimal by any mean tension wise, even with a big string for the low F#.

Metal Ken · 06-24-2008, 12:49 AM

Tune it in 5ths, Low G to high F#..

jrf8 · 06-24-2008, 02:09 AM

the lowest you should go on that scale would be in B standard. with thick ass strings and alot of truss rod adjustment

Ishan · 06-24-2008, 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jrf8

the lowest you should go on that scale would be in B standard. with thick ass strings and alot of truss rod adjustment

Haha, so why are people tuning to A on that scale for more than 10 years?

Metal Ken · 06-24-2008, 02:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ishan

Haha, so why are people tuning to A on that scale for more than 10 years?

No choice ;p

tonymustang302 · 06-24-2008, 03:16 PM

<----- has ESP Eclipse II tuned to A 24.75''scale

and LOVE IT!!!!!!!!!!!!

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