New ERG Tuning Idea

Trespass · 03-03-2008, 04:09 PM

Eb-B-Ab-Db-Gb-B-Eb-Ab

Ab standard with 7th and 8th tuned to a reverse minor Ab triad. Crushingly thick triads on the 6th, 7th, and 8th strings with room for intricate chord voicings.

The chord voicings don't have to be of low pitch, and of course the clarity could be used much higher up the neck: The shapes stay the same, but with better clarity.

Also, because their tuned in reverse 1-3-5, note choice and chordal lines are at your fingertips.

Not to mention using the bottom 3 as drone strings for a 1-3-5-1 progression, or percussive and agressive pedal tone style like Sikth.

Apophis · 03-03-2008, 04:18 PM

Interesting

Groff · 03-03-2008, 04:23 PM

That made my head spin

Interesting idea though.

Trespass · 03-03-2008, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by TheMissing

That made my head spin

Interesting idea though.

Thank you

Ruins · 03-03-2008, 05:58 PM

i would love to try but i need 8 string guitar first

Ishan · 03-03-2008, 06:50 PM

That Eb is going to be hard to pull out, at least a .090 I think.

ElRay · 03-03-2008, 08:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Ishan

That Eb is going to be hard to pull out, at least a .090 I think.

This just screams for an electric theorbo (therobo) -- The giant spoon on the right in the video below. That's instrument #4 in my build queue

.

Ray

EDIT: I think 'theorbo' is the correct spelling, but I have seen 'therobo' a fair amount too.

Hcash · 03-03-2008, 10:25 PM

What the hell is that thing???!!!

Trespass · 03-03-2008, 11:21 PM

A really big lute?

Anyhow, not sure how to tune to Eb that low. And who manufactures a .90 0.o

shadowgenesis · 03-03-2008, 11:24 PM

write/record something and let's hear it!

Trespass · 03-03-2008, 11:41 PM

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Originally Posted by shadowgenesis

write/record something and let's hear it!

I'm missing two strings

Unless Mr. Sherman or Sebastian want to ship one over to me

ElRay · 03-04-2008, 12:01 AM

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Originally Posted by Hcash

What the hell is that thing???!!!

It's more or less a regular guitar/lute, with one set of regular string, and then another set of longer string that are "harp" strings (no fingerboard under them) and typically played open. Here's another video:

I think our master of the odd instruments (Desacrated) posted this video before.

Ray

Strike07 · 03-04-2008, 12:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Trespass

Eb-B-Ab-Db-Gb-B-Eb-Ab

Ab standard with 7th and 8th tuned to a reverse minor Ab triad. Crushingly thick triads on the 6th, 7th, and 8th strings with room for intricate chord voicings.

interesting idea, dude.

what gauges do you suggest for 6th and 7th?
maybe using the same gauges for both? (B & Ab)
btw, that low Eb...hmm....

Jongpil Yun · 03-04-2008, 12:14 AM

IMO your best bet for that would be a 30" -> 28" fan.

That one guy makes strings that tune up to A at 30", right?

Ishan · 03-04-2008, 12:36 AM

GHS do a .090 guitar string.

Durero · 03-04-2008, 02:04 AM

Wow, any idea of the speaking lengths of the bass strings on that theorbo Ray?

Edit - found some info here: Magno

190 cm for the open bass strings!

distressed_romeo · 03-04-2008, 07:38 AM

That's a really interesting idea...it almost reminds me of some of the tunings I've seen on classical ten-string guitars.

http://www.tenstringguitar.com/

I imagine it would make the guitar resonate in a nice way, especially on an acoustic instrument. What sort of guitar were you considering for this tuning?

ElRay · 03-04-2008, 09:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durero

Wow, any idea of the speaking lengths of the bass strings on that theorbo Ray?

It's #4 in the queue. Let me start working on #3 before I flesh-out the details on #4

The general idea is to start with standard "long scale" bass strings and then knock-off space for: saddle-to-bridge, nut-to-tuning-machines, and the nameless-bit-that-will-be-needed-to-attach-the-string-to-the-tuning-machine.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durero

Edit - found some info here: Magno

Thanks, but the way things are going, I'll have to start my research all over again when I'm ready to start.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Durero

190 cm for the open bass strings!

6'-2" for us non-metric folks. Hmmmmm

Ray

Trespass · 03-04-2008, 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by distressed_romeo

That's a really interesting idea...it almost reminds me of some of the tunings I've seen on classical ten-string guitars.

http://www.tenstringguitar.com/

I imagine it would make the guitar resonate in a nice way, especially on an acoustic instrument. What sort of guitar were you considering for this tuning?

In truth, perhaps a Sherman 8. If I could afford a 8 string acoustic, I would.

03-05-2008, 07:25 AM

THEORBO!!!!

Trespass · 03-05-2008, 02:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Desecrated

THEORBO!!!!

I see your alive.

Well, I would have a fretboard that went to 32 frets, so I could hit a high E on the Ab string.

03-03-2008, 04:09 PM	#1
Trespass AEADGBEA Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 1,895 Thanked: 113	New ERG Tuning Idea Eb-B-Ab-Db-Gb-B-Eb-Ab Ab standard with 7th and 8th tuned to a reverse minor Ab triad. Crushingly thick triads on the 6th, 7th, and 8th strings with room for intricate chord voicings. The chord voicings don't have to be of low pitch, and of course the clarity could be used much higher up the neck: The shapes stay the same, but with better clarity. Also, because their tuned in reverse 1-3-5, note choice and chordal lines are at your fingertips. Not to mention using the bottom 3 as drone strings for a 1-3-5-1 progression, or percussive and agressive pedal tone style like Sikth. __________________ Pseudo-Jazz Sophisticate -The 7 and ERG Chord Melody [Jazz] Thread- "If Stravinsky's music is that of the Earth, then Meshuggah's music is that of the Machine"

03-03-2008, 04:18 PM	#2
Apophis ROTER CUSTOM GUITARS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 17,452 Thanked: 67	Interesting __________________

03-03-2008, 06:50 PM	#6
Ishan Giant Fridge Magnet Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Paris, France. Posts: 2,844 Thanked: 17	That Eb is going to be hard to pull out, at least a .090 I think. __________________ Bloody Murder #5 Current rig : Agile Intrepid Pro with ONI Custom pickup -> ISP Decimator -> Hardwire CM-2 -> Rocktron Piranha -> TC Electronics G-Major -> Marshall 8008 -> Framus 212CS with Celestion G12 Century's

03-03-2008, 11:21 PM	#9
Trespass AEADGBEA Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Toronto, ON, Canada Posts: 1,895 Thanked: 113	A really big lute? Anyhow, not sure how to tune to Eb that low. And who manufactures a .90 0.o __________________ Pseudo-Jazz Sophisticate -The 7 and ERG Chord Melody [Jazz] Thread- "If Stravinsky's music is that of the Earth, then Meshuggah's music is that of the Machine"

03-03-2008, 11:24 PM	#10
shadowgenesis Yarrrrrr Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Bed Sty, Brooklyn, Ny Posts: 1,343 Thanked: 15	write/record something and let's hear it! __________________ "I have a koala bear infestation in my apartment. It's the cutest infestation ever. Way better than cockroaches..."

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03-03-2008, 04:23 PM	#3
Groff Medicine Chief/RHLC© Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: South Jersey Posts: 6,627 Thanked: 245	That made my head spin Interesting idea though. __________________ AHHH MOTHERLAND! All hail soviet Arktanistan-Groffistan! Formerly TheMissing

03-03-2008, 05:58 PM	#5
Ruins Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Germany Posts: 1,636 Thanked: 12	i would love to try but i need 8 string guitar first

03-03-2008, 10:25 PM	#8
Hcash These Eyes Are Blind Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: Winston Salem, NC Posts: 450 Thanked: 7	What the hell is that thing???!!!

03-04-2008, 12:14 AM	#14
Jongpil Yun Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Seattle, WA Posts: 2,339 Thanked: 27	IMO your best bet for that would be a 30" -> 28" fan. That one guy makes strings that tune up to A at 30", right? __________________ Whether it's laughable or irrational, this is the path that ALL great men walk! If there's a wall in our way, we'll destroy it! If there's no road, we'll pave it with our own hands! The magma in our hearts is blazing like flames! Who the hell do you think we are?

03-04-2008, 12:36 AM	#15
Ishan Giant Fridge Magnet Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Paris, France. Posts: 2,844 Thanked: 17	GHS do a .090 guitar string. __________________ Bloody Murder #5 Current rig : Agile Intrepid Pro with ONI Custom pickup -> ISP Decimator -> Hardwire CM-2 -> Rocktron Piranha -> TC Electronics G-Major -> Marshall 8008 -> Framus 212CS with Celestion G12 Century's

03-04-2008, 02:04 AM	#16
Durero prototyping... Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Vancouver, B.C., Canada Posts: 4,232 Thanked: 38	Wow, any idea of the speaking lengths of the bass strings on that theorbo Ray? Edit - found some info here: Magno 190 cm for the open bass strings!

03-04-2008, 07:38 AM	#17
distressed_romeo Melnibonean Metal! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Melnibone (duh!) Posts: 10,617 Thanked: 230	That's a really interesting idea...it almost reminds me of some of the tunings I've seen on classical ten-string guitars. http://www.tenstringguitar.com/ I imagine it would make the guitar resonate in a nice way, especially on an acoustic instrument. What sort of guitar were you considering for this tuning? __________________ Define 'well-adjusted'... http://farsideguitars.blogspot.com/

03-05-2008, 07:25 AM	#20
Desecrated Dirty Lurker Posts: n/a	THEORBO!!!!

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