RG2228 String Gauge ideas.

Chris · 01-07-2008, 03:24 PM

So I'm not super happy with the stock strings on the 228. The thing needs a 68/70 for the low end, at the very least - it's just too loose for my liking because I've always loved really big strings on my sevens. I've run 11-70 a few times on my C7 and it's just so massive feeling (and sounding) that I'd like to go that way with the 8 as well. The .070 is a little too big for the B, but for the F# I think it would be pretty damn glorious. I'm thinking something like:

011 - .015 - .022 - .030 - .040 - .050 - .065 - .070

Is there any obvious reason why that wouldn't work? I'm keeping it standard, F#BEADGBE.

Krunch · 01-07-2008, 03:34 PM

That should work just fine. 70 should be around 14.5 lbs of tension which is fine. Personally I'd do .075 or .080 for F#. Your steels are heavier than I'm used to, the .011 will be about 21 lbs. You should probably cut those down to 10/13/17, in my opinion.

I'm still using an .080 tuned to F, and I have an 85 ready for my next change because I want more tension.

Chris · 01-07-2008, 03:38 PM

Hmm, that might be really comfortable as well. I'll probably make my way up past 70, but baby steps.

I'm actually trying to woodshed on the thing and get my hands (and mind) wrapped around 8-strings worth of scale.

So you're saying:

010 - 013 - 017 - 030 - 040 -050 - 065 -070

Would still be around the right tension?

Thanks very much man.

Apophis · 01-07-2008, 03:43 PM

Wrong..
Heavy highs and light bottom.
If you like that use better something like 009 012 016 024 032 044 060 080 will be nice

Chris · 01-07-2008, 03:44 PM

Hrm. I don't really like light bottoms, and anything smaller than an 010 on the top feels way too thin for me.

Apophis · 01-07-2008, 03:46 PM

so increase strings one step, but then you have to have 85 as a F# at least

Crucified · 01-07-2008, 03:47 PM

i had a 64 as my f# and loved it. i've now changed to 68 and the tension is off for me. i'm going to try a 70 and see if it helps. i play a tonne of chords on the low b and f# strings so its a process for me to get them to not be muddy.

Krunch · 01-07-2008, 03:51 PM

Using this as a quick, but not necessarily accurate reference
String Guage and Tension Calculator - Version 0.1.4 - 26 apr 1998

Well I'm not sure how much you like, I'm guessing you usually use 11s? Thats heavier than I am used to.

65->70 is a pretty weak jump so I'd take that up a lot to match the others, or take everything else down to match the 70 a bit more. Mine starts around 13 lbs on the steels and goes up to 18-20 lbs on the wound strings.

This is what you suggested according to said inaccurate calculator:
E .010 PL == 18.18#
B, .013" PL == 17.25#
G, .017" PL == 18.58#
D, .030" NW == 28.07#
A,, .040" NW == 26.85#
E,, .050" NW == 22.93#
B,,, .065" NW == 22.29#
^F,,, .070" NW == 14.43#
total == 168.58#

which is really really heavy imo. 28 lbs is way too much for me. Also, the drop from 22 to 14 will feel wierd. Actually I thought your numbers looked more reasonable because I'm used to tuning down 1/2 step or 1 step, so I use those numbers myself. But looking at the tensions there I'd recommend going a lot lighter.

The strings I'm throwing on for next string change: Tuned 1/2 down to F.
9 13.12
13 15.36
17 16.55
26 18.38
36 19.51
49 19.66
65 19.86
85 18.43

Apophis · 01-07-2008, 03:52 PM

what about rest of your strings you use Crucified ???

Chris · 01-07-2008, 03:53 PM

I use 11's on 6's and 10's on my sevens for the most part. Ideally I'd like a 10 for the high E and something less-than-80 for the F#.

Edit: This is damn interesting, btw. I should have started paying attention to this ages ago. Thanks again guys.

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01-07-2008, 03:24 PM	#1 (permalink)
Chris Adminishredder • Site Admin • Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 26,225 Real Name: Mr. F. Johnson Main Seven: Sherman Custom Main ERG: Douglas 6ST Bass Rig: 2101 -> S160 -> Mesa Thanked: 573	RG2228 String Gauge ideas. So I'm not super happy with the stock strings on the 228. The thing needs a 68/70 for the low end, at the very least - it's just too loose for my liking because I've always loved really big strings on my sevens. I've run 11-70 a few times on my C7 and it's just so massive feeling (and sounding) that I'd like to go that way with the 8 as well. The .070 is a little too big for the B, but for the F# I think it would be pretty damn glorious. I'm thinking something like: 011 - .015 - .022 - .030 - .040 - .050 - .065 - .070 Is there any obvious reason why that wouldn't work? I'm keeping it standard, F#BEADGBE. :: chrisquigley.com :: Sevenstring Registry :: Share Your Music :: Share Your Patches :: Sevenstring.org MySpace chmod +ax /bin/laden

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01-07-2008, 03:34 PM	#2 (permalink)
Krunch Krunch SMASH Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fredericksburg, Va Posts: 440 Main Seven: 2027X w/M7 Main ERG: RG2228 Rig: Roadking -> Orange Thanked: 7	That should work just fine. 70 should be around 14.5 lbs of tension which is fine. Personally I'd do .075 or .080 for F#. Your steels are heavier than I'm used to, the .011 will be about 21 lbs. You should probably cut those down to 10/13/17, in my opinion. I'm still using an .080 tuned to F, and I have an 85 ready for my next change because I want more tension.

01-07-2008, 03:38 PM	#3 (permalink)
Chris Adminishredder • Site Admin • Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 26,225 Real Name: Mr. F. Johnson Main Seven: Sherman Custom Main ERG: Douglas 6ST Bass Rig: 2101 -> S160 -> Mesa Thanked: 573	Hmm, that might be really comfortable as well. I'll probably make my way up past 70, but baby steps. I'm actually trying to woodshed on the thing and get my hands (and mind) wrapped around 8-strings worth of scale. So you're saying: 010 - 013 - 017 - 030 - 040 -050 - 065 -070 Would still be around the right tension? Thanks very much man.

01-07-2008, 03:43 PM	#4 (permalink)
Apophis ROTER CUSTOM GUITARS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 8,866 Real Name: Sebastian Main Seven: I need more strings :) Main ERG: RCG 9 & 10 string Rig: Line6 Thanked: 46	Wrong.. Heavy highs and light bottom. If you like that use better something like 009 012 016 024 032 044 060 080 will be nice

01-07-2008, 03:44 PM	#5 (permalink)
Chris Adminishredder • Site Admin • Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 26,225 Real Name: Mr. F. Johnson Main Seven: Sherman Custom Main ERG: Douglas 6ST Bass Rig: 2101 -> S160 -> Mesa Thanked: 573	Hrm. I don't really like light bottoms, and anything smaller than an 010 on the top feels way too thin for me.

01-07-2008, 03:46 PM	#6 (permalink)
Apophis ROTER CUSTOM GUITARS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 8,866 Real Name: Sebastian Main Seven: I need more strings :) Main ERG: RCG 9 & 10 string Rig: Line6 Thanked: 46	so increase strings one step, but then you have to have 85 as a F# at least

01-07-2008, 03:47 PM	#7 (permalink)
Crucified Deathgrind Maniac Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Victoria BC Posts: 1,352 Real Name: Kevin Main Seven: rg2027xvv Main ERG: Custom Sherman 8. Rig: Herbert/Uberschall Thanked: 50 $Crucified is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Crucified is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Crucified is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Crucified is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Crucified is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Crucified is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$ $Crucified is rather kvlt and tr00. \m/$	i had a 64 as my f# and loved it. i've now changed to 68 and the tension is off for me. i'm going to try a 70 and see if it helps. i play a tonne of chords on the low b and f# strings so its a process for me to get them to not be muddy.

01-07-2008, 03:51 PM	#8 (permalink)
Krunch Krunch SMASH Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Fredericksburg, Va Posts: 440 Main Seven: 2027X w/M7 Main ERG: RG2228 Rig: Roadking -> Orange Thanked: 7	Using this as a quick, but not necessarily accurate reference String Guage and Tension Calculator - Version 0.1.4 - 26 apr 1998 Well I'm not sure how much you like, I'm guessing you usually use 11s? Thats heavier than I am used to. 65->70 is a pretty weak jump so I'd take that up a lot to match the others, or take everything else down to match the 70 a bit more. Mine starts around 13 lbs on the steels and goes up to 18-20 lbs on the wound strings. This is what you suggested according to said inaccurate calculator: E .010 PL == 18.18# B, .013" PL == 17.25# G, .017" PL == 18.58# D, .030" NW == 28.07# A,, .040" NW == 26.85# E,, .050" NW == 22.93# B,,, .065" NW == 22.29# ^F,,, .070" NW == 14.43# total == 168.58# which is really really heavy imo. 28 lbs is way too much for me. Also, the drop from 22 to 14 will feel wierd. Actually I thought your numbers looked more reasonable because I'm used to tuning down 1/2 step or 1 step, so I use those numbers myself. But looking at the tensions there I'd recommend going a lot lighter. The strings I'm throwing on for next string change: Tuned 1/2 down to F. 9 13.12 13 15.36 17 16.55 26 18.38 36 19.51 49 19.66 65 19.86 85 18.43

01-07-2008, 03:52 PM	#9 (permalink)
Apophis ROTER CUSTOM GUITARS Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Poland Posts: 8,866 Real Name: Sebastian Main Seven: I need more strings :) Main ERG: RCG 9 & 10 string Rig: Line6 Thanked: 46	what about rest of your strings you use Crucified ???

01-07-2008, 03:53 PM	#10 (permalink)
Chris Adminishredder • Site Admin • Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Boston, Mass Posts: 26,225 Real Name: Mr. F. Johnson Main Seven: Sherman Custom Main ERG: Douglas 6ST Bass Rig: 2101 -> S160 -> Mesa Thanked: 573	I use 11's on 6's and 10's on my sevens for the most part. Ideally I'd like a 10 for the high E and something less-than-80 for the F#. Edit: This is damn interesting, btw. I should have started paying attention to this ages ago. Thanks again guys.


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