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Unread 07-17-2012, 02:29 AM   #1
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Body copiez

Well I always wanted a BM,but Doug stopped
I tried contacting Ran guitars because i knew Dariusz copies bodies but he said he couldnt copy them anymore(copyrights?).
Can you name any luthiers to make an EXCACT copy of a BM?or others overpriced high end guitars?(ViK,Daemoness etc)
I don't want to be over 2-2,5k.
Also if there's any ss member willing to build one for 2k or less but make an EXCACT copy then ok.
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or others overpriced high end guitars? (ViK,Daemoness etc)


you're not only insulting these builders by asking to make a cheaper copy of their designs, but you also seem to have a misconception of how expensive and time consuming it is to build a guitar for ONE person.

ViK and Daemoness prices are perfectly adequate for handbuilt guitars in the EU.

seeing you are in greece, these prices are also not further inflated by the exchange rate neither (besides the currently weak €:GBP).



if you're looking for a cheaper semi-custom guitar made to your specs, then you should perhaps also consider mayones. the setius models are priced around 1500€ for the 7-strings. i own a setius myself as well as my bandmate, and they're definitely GREAT high end guitars.
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First, I agree that calling those brands "overpriced" is incorrect. And there's a misconception involved here about the realm of custom luthiery.

However, I don't follow the line of thought that getting a "copy" is some huge moral attack on the "original" builder. As long as you don't get a BM knock off that goes the step of sticking a plate on there saying it is actually a BM, then you're fine in my book. The copy actually attempting to pass itself off as an original, THAT'S the actual problem that trademark and copyright law is MEANT to prevent. (also, as a note, the idea of a guitar body style being trademarkable has been knocked down in the courts time and time again. Headstocks can be trademarked, bodies cannot)

Anyway, long story short:

Siggery is the builder you're going to want to get in touch with.
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However, I don't follow the line of thought that getting a "copy" is some huge moral attack on the "original" builder. As long as you don't get a BM knock off that goes the step of sticking a plate on there saying it is actually a BM, then you're fine in my book

dude is asking for an exact copy:

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He is asking for an excact copy, which is a copy that is not quite exact.
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He is asking for an excact copy, which is a copy that is not quite exact.
i didn't notice that
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Minus logos, it's not an exact copy.

Further, he's not even asking for an exact guitar copy, he's asking for an exact guitar body copy.

Now, yes, he may mean body, headstock, trademarks and all. At that point we are crossing over into infringement territory. But that is not, actually, what he seems to be asking for.
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If Dariusz doesn't copy it, then you know you've gone too far.
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Check Skervesen from Poland. They built a BM copy a while ago.
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Check Skervesen from Poland. They built a BM copy a while ago.
And Skervesen themselves has said multiple times in that thread that it was a one-off made for a personal friend and they have no prospects of building another for anyone else.

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They are not overpriced. They reflect builder's time and effort to design shape, specs etc of a guitar so it is a well thought instrument that looks, feels and sounds well. It's not something that you do in one evening, drinking beer with friends and having a barbecue. Guys who copy instruments designed by others surely save time (and money) but on someone else's back. Not cool. If you can't afford it, don't buy it.
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Check Skervesen from Poland. They built a BM copy a while ago.
Sorry but no. I admit we get a lot of queries about it and we're working on our own custom guitar which will match the BM in quality (only if the musicians will stop to play the brand and start to play the guitar :P). We will not work in this way > Of course there is a trend and we'd like to take advantage of it
but not by making a career based on someone else's success. Doug created something extremely characteristic and it's hard to compete with it. However, we want to take the challenge.

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You really dont know the skill some luthiers have. Guitars like that cost that much for a reason, you know...
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I guess if you are looking around your house you will find good luthiers, quite unknown but very skillfull and willing to please and match your request, and maybe more... The same country is already a good start, limiting not only the freight, but also the tawes that just evaporates like a vampire by the sun... It is, as I can state it as my own opinion, the best option to get what you want in the prices you asked, with the quality you're looking for.
As for me I live in France and prefers very much my very unique and original guitars. I could get them in the prices you ask, only they are not copy: there are actually no other one like them anywhere around the world. So you want a copy? I figure it would be quite less difficult to build.
Anyway, a good luthier is above all a luthier you feel you can work with, because yes, you don't have just to ask for it to come alive, but also to work, even just a little on it, to make it more like YOUR guitar, and not everyone else's.
But as I already said, that's just my poor asshole's luthier-friendly and little luthier-fanatic opinion.
There is a so-called tibetan proverb for this: "Opinions are like assholes: everyone has his/her own"
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Sorry but no. I admit we get a lot of queries about it and we're working on our own custom guitar which will match the BM in quality (only if the musicians will stop to play the brand and start to play the guitar :P). We will not work in this way > Of course there is a trend and we'd like to take advantage of it
but not by making a career based on someone else's success. Doug created something extremely characteristic and it's hard to compete with it. However, we want to take the challenge.

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That is good to know. I wasn't aware of that, but good call!
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^ What?
Well, if I have to sum it up in a few words:
Find a luthier near you
Talk to him to have an idea
Look for the quality of his production
Order if it's OK...
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Don't get me wrong, BM's are the shit. But, if it is only the aesthetic he's looking for then what's the point? IF it's the sound he is looking for he may or may not get it with a copy. Luthiers do things differently. Not every guitar they produce sounds the same anyway. They all have different charachteristics. So the chances of getting a BM made by anyone other than the man who makes BM's will only get you a body shape and style. You may get close in sound, but you will NEVER get THE sound of a BM getting a copy. It's not a mass produced product like an ibanez RG where anyone with a slab of basswood can get a body and the same sound. But, as always thats just my assh... i mean opinion. lol
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