The Rico returns...

[charlieshreds]

I'm not saying let the guitar slide I'm talking about the "argument" between me and him no get a refund.

[Stealthdjentstic]

Grammar please?

[charlieshreds]

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

Grammar please?

Now you're just trolling lol.In all honesty i'm just to tired.

[Stealthdjentstic]

Im not trolling, it's in the rules. Your grammar is shit anyways so how would I be trolling?

[HighGain510]

Originally Posted by charlieshreds

Just a bad apple and EVERY guitar company has them.

I don't think most companies carve their truss rod routes with bent sporks or drill the tuner holes free-hand with a dremel.... Sorry but the issues on this guitars aren't something that every guitar company runs into.

[MaxOfMetal]

Originally Posted by SpaceDock

Was this one of the BRJ imports? He did those a while back,they were built in Korea I think but reworked in his shop. He stopped doing them because he had to rework too many of them. That would explain a lot about this.

I remember this was from a discount run, whatever that means.

The import models were only Vixens, and only 6-strings.

This was, supposedly, made in the USA by BRJ via a special run through the Axe Palace, back before Bernie pulled the plug on his dealers.

[SpaceDock]

^ thank you

It really sucks to see things like this just when I was glad that he was back in the shop and feeling better. I wish we could hear from the man himself on this. I don't know if the original owner ever showed these pics to Bernie, but I wonder how this could happen or be excusable.

[Cremated]

Originally Posted by charlieshreds

"I always thought that a lot of BRJ's finished products looked really amateurish and flawed for the type of critical acclaim he receives around here."Also no I wouldn't buy a BRJ because it isnt my thing.Judging his work based on this guitar is insane though im sure that more than half don't look like this.Just a bad apple and EVERY guitar company has them.Not as much with smaller luthiers (Carl Thompson,Strandberg,etc) even the owner of Blackmachine said he's made a few bad ones even though he didnt allow them to leave the shop.Either way let bygones be bygones I guess.

This guitar is garbage, plain and simple. I never said anyhing negative about BRJ, other than I've seen a few flawed instruments come out of his shop. That doesn't speak negatively of what he is capable of. I know he can make a high-caliber instrument. I'm not saying he's a terrible luthier. I'm saying if he doesn't right his wrongs, he's a terrible business man. You don't let something worth 3 grand slide. That's all I'm saying. Do you really expect the OP to just get over it? That's a joke.

[TankJon666]

Whats happening with this? Is it getting rebuilt/repaired/refunded?

[axxessdenied]

It's not even worth a rebuild imo. Waiting 3 years to receive THAT is a slap in the face. If any guitar ever deserved to be refunded... it's this thing, lol.

[AVH]

Originally Posted by charlieshreds

even the owner of Blackmachine said he's made a few bad ones even though he didnt allow them to leave the shop.

I could contest this.

[TRENCHLORD]

The guitar being that botched should've been kept in house and sold as b or c-stock for big discount, and the buyer's order should have been restarted and put at the front of the line.
No reason to scrap it if it's still very playable, but also no reason to charge full price or even BFR price for a misfire.

[Azathoth43]

Originally Posted by Dendroaspis

I could contest this.

Don't ruin my perception of these guitars.

<==Want F8 so bad.

[Hollowway]

Originally Posted by TRENCHLORD

The guitar being that botched should've been kept in house and sold as b or c-stock for big discount, and the buyer's order should have been restarted and put at the front of the line.
No reason to scrap it if it's still very playable, but also no reason to charge full price or even BFR price for a misfire.

Yeah, the remakes that he does don't go to the front of the line. They just get remade as if it were a new order. That being said, I don't know the he actually has a line. I get the sense that it's done in batches.

[TRENCHLORD]

Originally Posted by Hollowway

Yeah, the remakes that he does don't go to the front of the line. They just get remade as if it were a new order. That being said, I don't know the he actually has a line. I get the sense that it's done in batches.

I'm sure luthiers often do group them according to spec variables.
Some times when customers want to change details mid-flight they have no idea how this throws a kink in the whole process from an efficiency standpoint. That's one advantage of a very small builder who isn't loading up on orders as much (some would if they could while others choose not to).

[Horizongeetar93]

It's a shame such a high end guitar was considered this..I hope you find justice good sir.

[CruzDrum]

how much would you sell it for? and whats wrong with it i may be interested

[Phrygian]

Pictures have been posted dude, read further back in the thread.

[guambomb832]

Like father, like son.

[HeHasTheJazzHands]

Honestly, with what I'm seeing here, I'd prefer to buy a BC Rich JRV-7 over a BRJ Vixen 7.

[RV350ALSCYTHE]

Any instrument maker could be producing lemons like this. The difference is they do not sign the back of the headstock and sell it to the public.

[Valennic]

Originally Posted by Dendroaspis

I could contest this.

I'm actually really interested in hearing about those, after the god like standard his guitars have been held to, hearing about one that's not so perfect would actually be kinda cool. Any chance of some of the lemon stories ending up on your site? Like a Blackmachine lemon story?

[Fred the Shred]

This thread has some points I disagree with. For example, many say this guitar should have never left the shop. It should, actually. With no hardware and in tiny pieces.

As for a BM lemon, I haven't found any so far, but Doug has been building guitars for a long while, and it is quite possible a bad apple managed to make its way to a buyer. Whether it was described as flawed or not, no idea as well.

[cataclysm_child]

Originally Posted by Dendroaspis

I could contest this.

Is this about my F8 having electronics of the cheapest kind and no shielding at all?

I tried the BRJ btw. It sucked! Couldn't play shit with it, just terrible!
...might have to do with it being left handed though :P

[RG7]

How does it play -despite all the flaws? It is literally unplayable? Does it feedback because of the poor shielding? Does it even hold a tune?

Sorry for reviving an old thread, this thing is on ebay and I'm interested.