Agile 10 String. Why? Because F**k You! That's Why!

[yellow]

maybe u should not be a clown and go practice or something. if u knew what my profession is, ud either not be worried about syntax and mundane details like grammEr on a casual forum or egotism would gain favor and ud certainly be unknowingly ignorant (double strength) and beleive that ur reply held some kind of merit, value, maybe wit, or perhaps a tint of a sting like the rapping of sticks against flesh, painful enough to annoy but something that fades as quickly as the blood that returns to the shaken nerve.....all in all, ur sujestshun uv "bying lesinz" fawlz shawrt uv ur intenshin. take this is a lesson from a random bit of code flowing through cyberspace: practice, practice, practice. (8 STRINGS RULE)

edit: wow! gota lota negative feedback or comments or w/e from that post. so for all those who took what i meant to be a pretty unbiased opinion so personally that they had to troll patrol and go outta their way to express their disdain by genersouly bestowing neg rep points and comments with such outstandingly childish outrage: i commend ur tenacity and faith in what u believe to be a righteous march -- especially in regaurds to the unknown and such seemingly endless seas teeming with possibilities [of increasing numbers of strings,multi scaled fanned fretboards, and the developing mentally controlled note expression and self regenerating indestrucible components, hardware, and electronics that will never need adjustment, tuning or intonation,::/end tomfoolery::] like perhaps an instrument of the ERG or XSI (extended scale instrument i think) as halo calls them, which will soon be a more fitting definition probably, time will tell i guess -- but i still say, a certain movement of ERG's or w/e u wanna call a guitar that's evolving into another instrument, which clearly is not a guitar that is, if u didnt get it, is simply just that...another instrument. i got ERGs, tho i shudder now that i know my 7 string and 8 string guitars are no longer allowed to be considered just guitars...theyre something different, something more, something, i...dont....know.....ill stop here because a realization has just dawned upon me as if enlightenment had been granted to me by the universe in its infinite love and wisdom: ERGs can be anything ANYTHING YOU WANT THEM TO BE because this universe is indeed a mirror of your true self. everything is anything when something is something else....u see? it doesn't matter, as rediculous as this post is, and as rediculous as anything else you can possibly think of to reply to this in some kind of way that would undermine this rollercoaster of a cohesively chaotic thought pattern, can NEVER take away the fact that an ERG is an ERG.

(open to "buying lessons" in logic, reason, and common sense, especially if grammar,spelling from metal webb only, i need to lrn 2 spll cuz hes an intelligent and mature adult english speaker, and oh and if an 11 string ERG will be offered at a discounted bundle price, ill pay more for a 9 string, but less for a 10)

guys, relax man, dont be so serious. ERGs? come onnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn , turn on that amp and just shred

[Ishan]

You're over thinking man! Too much sugar in the coffee this morning?
This thread almost completly derailed That 10 strings is still nice but I can't stand that green

[Metal_Webb]

Sad to say, but this thread is rapidly heading towards a

[ShadowFactoryX]

Only use I can think of this, is to tap..
tap everywhere, all day

otherwise, the string spacing is gross
i dont like the spacing on my 8 at all, and im sure this would feel no better

[EtherealEntity]

Originally Posted by yellow

if u knew what my profession is, ud either not be worried about syntax and mundane details like grammEr

I really am curious what you have to say - unfortunately I can't read more than a handful of words from you at a time before my eyes fall quickly to the end of the paragraph with no idea what I just read. Seriously, if you have something to say - write it properly. Some (I'd assume most) people literally find this crap impossible to read.

[Vostre Roy]

Originally Posted by EtherealEntity

I really am curious what you have to say - unfortunately I can't read more than a handful of words from you at a time before my eyes fall quickly to the end of the paragraph with no idea what I just read. Seriously, if you have something to say - write it properly. Some (I'd assume most) people literally find this crap impossible to read.

English ain't my first language, and I'm surely not the only one on the forum that is in that situation. Its hard for us to only use english to begin with, its even harder when some people use poor grammar or abreviated words. I'm really happy to see that most people on this forum take time to write correctly.

Cheers!

Edit: Just so I don't go too far off topic, I'll add my opinion on this guitar. Its pretty freaking cool, in some way. I can really see it being used as a touch instrument, but I think that it would be cool if it had two separate output, one that would go to a guitar amp and one to a bass amp. That way, it could be used as both instrument, and as a tapping instrument. I was awaiting the first Agile 10xx, nice to see one, but I'll leave it to people who can play such an instrument.

[Wings of Obsidian]

This debate above is making my balls itch.... -_-

People are going to keep asking for more strings....until they settle and get a Warr guitar or a Chapman stick....by then the so-called "novel idea" has lost its novelty and uniqueness.

But yes, you guys are right. People DO ask for things like 9-strings, 10-strings, etc....but the Warr guitar (with 12 full strings) has been around for a long time. So, let's just see how the designing principles with these ERG's go as they get bigger with more strings.......this intrigues me......

[hellraizer84]

this shit is just getting crazy now...i thought 8s were stupid when i seen em then i wanted one haha,but this...it looks cool as .... but seriously in a band enviorment what be the point here?also the strings seem really light for that kind of tuning,looks ....in awesome though haha love to hear a demo

[yellow]

Originally Posted by EtherealEntity

I really am curious what you have to say - unfortunately I can't read more than a handful of words from you at a time before my eyes fall quickly to the end of the paragraph with no idea what I just read. Seriously, if you have something to say - write it properly. Some (I'd assume most) people literally find this crap impossible to read.

oh. i didnt realize that my posting format was visually disorienting, so to you, ill try to explain as clearly and as cleanly as possible without the interjections of figurative intricacies.

however, upon examining my member POINTS!!! it still seems that people think im being a TROLL monster lurking between the deceptive cracks of the ERG pitfall, stalking ever so calculatedly, waiting for a senseless victim to slip and tumble into my devious trap,which would reveal the illusory fallacy that enshrouds the mysterious plethora of forms that the ERG may assume.

anyway, ill just stop ....ing around with everyone. im not really a troll, like i said i gotta 7 and 8 string guitar BECAUSE of ss.org, so i wouldnt come here to waste my time to tell anyone that what they think is rediculous, even if it is rediculous, lol, im not trying to judge so with all that said and done, i will clearly state what i meant to say in the most direct terms i can possibly try to simplify, and im doin it specifically for etherealentity as well as anyone who is interested in A (not my single and only) broad scope of ERG development to completion.

1) I responded to a poster who said the "ERG thing is getting a bit rediculous". My response was nothing more than I thought he was not wrong, mind you, i was not saying I agreed or that he was correct, BUT that his opinion was not wrong.

2) Posts followed, I then stated that as for me, I feel maximum comfortability with a maximum of 8 strings (tho I will mention now, I like 7 strings the most), but that I wouldn't mind owning a 9, 10, or more string guitar.

3) I was then relentlessly berated from my pretty netural viewpoint to my posting content and general syntax by a host of fiends who I am certain are seeking my immediate untimely demise (I apologize, I got a little imaginative again, but instead of deleting it and plainly stating that I was misunderstood and penalized for their misunderstanding, I wanted to leave that in because it sounds better considering how the eager anticipation to pounce on a non-non-conformist was readily at hand)

4) Getting back to my original point: An ERG has two fates - 1) it will continue to evolve to the point that it is no longer a guitar but a different instrument altogether or (2) it will begin to plateau around the 10 string mark since we've reached that in production models now at which point it will still certainly remain a guitar, not distinctively an ERG as a seperate genus of the string family, tho it can carry the title that along with it, but essentially it will just be a guitar with a lot more strings than a regular guitar, and by regular i mean standard, and by standard i mean 6 strings, which reaaaallly just means, a guitar

IN CONCLUSION: Altering the form, structure, and function both in terms of physical construction (as in a considerable deviation from current standards, including the currently accepted deviations such as the ERG's we own already, in other words surpassing them significantly) and musical compostion (e.g. arrangement and orchestration based on harmonic and tonal frequencies) will EVENTUALLY yield something that is different than the instrument we refer as a guitar. However, as it is, ERG's are just as much guitars as your good ol' six string shooter.

The skinny: ERG's are pretty cool and I think that pushing them much further would be an unconsious attempt at creating a different instrument rather than crystallizing an already excellent foundation that's still in progress albeit far along the way.

An analogy maybe? Anyone up for one? Hmm? Ok...A harpsichord and a piano are almost the same thing....ALMOST. They are still very much their own instrument, with a very fine and blurry line dividing their existence as seperate (inanimate) entities. Sometimes a keyboard can even be a piano, though a piano can never, ever be a keyboard. That line is even more obscure to the point that I think I might be now losing my vision.

Anyway, jokes aside, I ain't mutha....in trollin so take that shit off my ....in profile if u got any comprehension of how logical thought gives birth to intelligible reason that can be objective if looked at from the right angle as there are many sides to anything. OK, I can be misleading, I admit it, because I tend to change tone and tenor very abruptly which can make it look like I am being subversive, when in truth, Im really trying just to have a bit of fun wording my thoughts to create an ambiguously open ended position that incorporates more than one viewpoint while still rooting it in the fertile grounds of reference and norms. At least, how I see them, but then again, I'm.....well, I think I said more than enough.

Blessings to all of my fellow guitarists on this forum who are verily blessed to be reading a post at this point because it means you are already on the path! (What path? The one we are all one my friends, and I hesitantly am including my beligerent comrades as well, and it includes the fortune of being able to create music with an ERG, a guitar.

Hope that clears things up now. Didn't mean to go and ruffle up ya feathers there anybody, oh....And Bill Shakespeare will close this enormity of a post that should have never been born, but since it has, it should have been truncated to no more than 3 sentences, I think we can all agree on this. Billy, take it away:

If we shadows have offended,
Think but this, and all is mended,
That you have but slumber'd here
While these visions did appear.
And this weak and idle theme,
No more yielding but a dream,
Gentles, do not reprehend:
if you pardon, we will mend:
And, as I am an honest Puck,
If we have unearned luck
Now to 'scape the serpent's tongue,
We will make amends ere long;
Else the Puck a liar call;
So, good night unto you all.
Give me your hands, if we be friends,
And Robin shall restore amends.
(Midsummer Night's Dream, Act v. Scene i.)

[Wings of Obsidian]

Props for utilizing William Shakespeare. I love "A Midsummer Night's Dream". ^^^

[yellow]

Originally Posted by Wings of Obsidian

Props for utilizing William Shakespeare. I love "A Midsummer Night's Dream". ^^^

thanks man. i appreciate the recognition for the reference, really i do, it is certainly one of my favorite shakespearean productions, perhaps favorite film version of all as well.

[but i already started to derail this crazy train so i don't wanna cause a trainwreck cuz now im getting EVEN MORE NEGATIVE POINTS FOR GOIN OUTTA MY WAY TO COOL THINGS OFF!!!! HAHAAHAHA, 40 pts left, and i dare anyone to hit me with more, in the words of shang tsung "FINISH HIM"...]

but anyway, cool man, thanks again for givin me props.

[USMarine75]

I don't know that I NEED a 10-string or that I would be comfortable playing one... but, now that I know there is one for $1100... I have to HAVE one.

[USMarine75]

Originally Posted by shredguitar7690

What's ridiculous and whats not as far as an instrument goes is purely subjective. Rondo music doesn't sell these instruments as a joke. People actually want them. Enough said. Everyone is entitled to their opinion of course but I think that 99.99% of the community here is tired of hearing these same complaints.

Can't disagree with someone that is rocking a GKG !!! F' yeah man!!!

I almost bought the yellow R36, but I had GAS for too many other things at the time...

[EtherealEntity]

See, you can write just fine! Much better, keep it that way

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I knew you had some good points and weren't trolling which is why I was interested to read, it just really is impossible in one big sentence and paragraph haha.

[yellow]

Originally Posted by EtherealEntity

See, you can write just fine! Much better, keep it that way

Thanks for taking the time to explain. I knew you had some good points and weren't trolling which is why I was interested to read, it just really is impossible in one big sentence and paragraph haha.

thank you sir. I appreciate your time to give me feedback as well as ur ability to comprehend my original point.

[EtherealEntity]

Originally Posted by yellow

there are great, novel ideas, and there are great novel ideas that get taken too far. thats when it starts to get rediculous and the idea really no longer carries the original spirit, its kinda more of makin an impression without any further intrinsic value or function. so i dont think youre wrong.

I can also see the point behind this and agree with it a lot of the time. This ERG thing is spreading hard and fast, most of the time for worse not good. I think it just stands out more to us, involving ERGs. I mean, there's been huge amounts of kids playing pointy guitars to be cool for a very long time now. And it's the same here - kids playing guitars with more strings to be cool. You see more of that than you do people using them well, at least in my experience.
This is largely the reason I do not openly, and even go to extents to avoid, bringing up my custom 9 string with 90% of people I meet. I feel most would throw around comments about so many strings being stupid, or assume I love the chuggah chuggah and not much else. Or, assume I'm an insane guitarist and ask me to blow them away with 9 string sweep arpeggios
None of which are true, I just like the range and want to use it creatively.

[Adam Of Angels]

*enters page 3 and reads...*

I don't know what's actually going on here, but egos are hilarious

[yellow]

Originally Posted by EtherealEntity

I can also see the point behind this and agree with it a lot of the time. This ERG thing is spreading hard and fast, most of the time for worse not good. I think it just stands out more to us, involving ERGs. I mean, there's been huge amounts of kids playing pointy guitars to be cool for a very long time now. And it's the same here - kids playing guitars with more strings to be cool. You see more of that than you do people using them well, at least in my experience.
This is largely the reason I do not openly, and even go to extents to avoid, bringing up my custom 9 string with 90% of people I meet. I feel most would throw around comments about so many strings being stupid, or assume I love the chuggah chuggah and not much else. Or, assume I'm an insane guitarist and ask me to blow them away with 9 string sweep arpeggios
None of which are true, I just like the range and want to use it creatively.

not to sound like a broken record, but again, thank you for bringing up my original post/point and bringing some light to what i meant to begin with in the first place, u know, cuz its self evident that i meant no harm...ur a cool dude for doin that man.

[MaxOfMetal]

Originally Posted by Metal_Webb

Sad to say, but this thread is rapidly heading towards a

Tell me about it.

[yellow]

Originally Posted by Adam Of Angels

*enters page 3 and reads...*

I don't know what's actually going on here, but egos are hilarious

nothings goin on man lol just a really long misunderstanding, if it werent for egos we wouldnt be speaking, human to human, well...human to computer to computer to human, but yeah, egos are great!

[USMarine75]

Sooo... not to derail the thread... but anyone buy it yet?

[vampiregenocide]

Wow, I have no idea why the derailment as I can't be bothered to read those huge posts, but ease up. It's just the internet.


I think this is cool, if people can use 10 strings properly then it will be interesting to see.

[Adam Of Angels]

Originally Posted by yellow

nothings goin on man lol just a really long misunderstanding, if it werent for egos we wouldnt be speaking, human to human, well...human to computer to computer to human, but yeah, egos are great!

When they're used right, they are fine.


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Anyway, what I'm wondering is, what could you actually tune this thing to? The 30" scale is going to make standard tuning on the top 6 a little difficult, which is bad considering that you have to do something with 4 lower strings still... Assuming you're tuning to standard, would you then have a LOW G#?

[bob123]

Anyone have a video of a 10 string playing? I dont see how this is useful as a guitar, it seems to be breaching on chapman stick territory.

[EtherealEntity]

Originally Posted by bob123

Anyone have a video of a 10 string playing? I dont see how this is useful as a guitar, it seems to be breaching on chapman stick territory.

I tried to find something yesterday to counter some negative comments. They've been used in classical for a very long time, but of course the tuning is different. Using them more as open bass strings e.g E D C B rather than E B F# C# so going nowhere near as low and often not fretting them at all.

There's plenty of that to be found 10 string guitar - YouTube

But I'd assume most questioning of this instrument is with regards to the very low pitch if tuned standard, or the width of the neck with regards to fretting. I think one only needs to check out some Yves Carbonne to get rid of any thoughts that this width might be unplayable.

With the pitch - I must agree. I can't think of much use, or what the tone would be like, of a G# at a mere 30 inches. I think it's odd to make an instrument like this without fanned frets (assuming 4ths tuning), especially coming from a company which produces fanned frets. Were the high end short enough to consider tuning up some, then the low pitches would be more acceptable in my opinion.