Ibanez's marketting group think we're idiots?

[Cheesebuiscut]

Judging by the posts and the likes a lot of people did miss the point. No one was arguing that you couldn't use a short scale for low tuned stuff or asking if people do like using it etc etc

and a 7 string is an erg technically, but uh... its a 6 string.

[urklvt]

Originally Posted by Cheesebuiscut

Judging by the posts and the likes a lot of people did miss the point. No one was arguing that you couldn't use a short scale for low tuned stuff or asking if people do like using it etc etc

and a 7 string is an erg technically, but uh... its a 6 string.

True! urklvt literacy fail!
I'm quite socially inept and it's been a busy week at work so I've exceeded my quota. It's makes me even more awkward than I already am!

[guitarister7321]

Yeah, I noticed they were 25 inch scale earlier today and was all like "What the ....."

[The_Mop]

Tbh, guitar advertising should never really be listened to. Its just a sea of subjective buzzwords like 'tone' and 'feel' and shite like that. Complete bollocks.

[Ishan]

You guys are over thinking this, it's just bad marketing. They make a big fuss about it being longer scale than most similar Les Paul shaped guitar, but it's by a ridiculously funny .25" It doesn't go beyond that, bad marketing.

[pink freud]

Has anybody thought that maybe they simply mistakenly hired Rondo's description writer?

[TelosHedge]

Originally Posted by pink freud

Has anybody thought that maybe they simply mistakenly hired Rondo's description writer?

ahahahahahahahaha!!! we have a winner!!!

[Lankles]

Originally Posted by Cheesebuiscut

Oh hey there gai's, a standard scale guitar is 25.5"! This guitar is 25"! Its a shorter scale length then a standard scale guitar... which means it retains lower tension when tuned down with the same strings.
Kthxbai

I don't know if it's like that any more, but for a long time 25.5" was known as Long Scale, to differentiate it from 24.75" Standard Scale.

No flames.

[Cheesebuiscut]

Fair enough, it might have been that way at one time. As far as my generation I've always known it as standard / fender scale (25.5) and short / gibson scale (24.75)

Then a lot of people would refer to 25" as prs scale, 27" as baritone. Everything else is usually just referred to by scale.

[EJA]

It's very simple.

A teenager can't play his favorite songs by a band that tunes to drop D or C (which is what's mentioned in the ad).

Instead of working hard and practicing at the craft, they turn to the internet for a reason as to why it's not "working".

Here is Ibanez's answer: "You don't have our guitar! That's why you can't play Lamb of God!"

I have a student who's into metal and for awhile he was only playing on a Fender squire.

He was CONVINCED that the reason why he couldn't get the sound he heard in his head was due to the guitar.

So convinced that if I'd borrow his guitar to show the pinched harmonic in Laid to Rest is certainly possible, as well as the metal 'sound', but he still didn't get it.

Instead of being patient, practicing, etc. He went out and bought a new guitar. He still can't do the things he wants to and consistently asks me why it doesn't work for him.

From other students I've heard similar things:
"I don't do alternate picking cause I can't get it to sound good"
"The neck pickup helps me shred better"

This is very typical amongst young guitar players. They think there's a secret, or a button to push, or something. This ad plays into that--it's not fair. But telling them to practice and learn won't make them money...so there ya go!

[Demiurge]

Originally Posted by EJA

This is very typical amongst young guitar players. They think there's a secret, or a button to push, or something. This ad plays into that--it's not fair. But telling them to practice and learn won't make them money...so there ya go!

So true. Hell, I've been playing for 16 years and still catch myself in that kind of "magical thinking" every so often.

[EJA]

Oh absolutely! I think we all do. But for young kids starting out, its hard to realize that's what's going on.

[BigPhi84]

Originally Posted by Cheesebuiscut

Well shit, if only PRS realized they'd been making guitars for low tuned metal mayhem they could have been marketing it on their 25" single cuts this whole time!!!

They're actually 24.5" inches!!!! (The doublecuts are 25" inches.)

[Cheesebuiscut]

It depends on the model, all of the se's are 25" but stuff like the starla and the more vintage looking ones are 24.5


NOW FIND ME A CHEAP PACKET SOY SAUCE IN A BOTTLE.

[troyguitar]

Originally Posted by EJA

This is very typical amongst young guitar players. They think there's a secret, or a button to push, or something. This ad plays into that--it's not fair. But telling them to practice and learn won't make them money...so there ya go!

We have plenty of those sentiments around here too...

"You need a 30" scale, BKP's, 4 compressors, 3 noisegates, a tubescreamer, and a $2000+ tube amp for teh djentz!"

[Setnakt]

I don't think wanting a good amp, a compressor and a baritone guitar for low-tuned, technically demanding music counts as "magical" thinking.

[Cheesebuiscut]

[RockerAlex]

Name dropping your favourite big metal bands doesn't make 1 scale length better or more logical than another ...

For 7 and 8 string guitars, you should certainly be FAR over 25.5"

[SenorDingDong]

I don't like Ibanez, but that being said, most guitarists don't do nearly enough research to know any better, so they're taking full advantage of that.

[orakle]

"The end justifies the means" - Niccolò Machiavelli

[celticelk]

Originally Posted by RockerAlex

Name dropping your favourite big metal bands doesn't make 1 scale length better or more logical than another ...

For 7 and 8 string guitars, you should certainly be FAR over 25.5"

Insert Explorer's standard rebuttal here....

[troyguitar]

Originally Posted by RockerAlex

For 7 and 8 string guitars, you should certainly be FAR over 25.5"

Another fine example of a silly myth perpetuated by young guitarists.

[RockerAlex]

Originally Posted by troyguitar

Another fine example of a silly myth perpetuated by young guitarists.

There's no myth, if you don't want to be playing with rope thickness strings then lengthen your scale. Personally, I've found 0.80 gauge strings on a 26.5" to be FAR FAR too floppy and there's no way I'd ever step into 0.90 territory, to me, that's ridiculous.

The myth is that kiddies think longer scales will be "harder" to play on.

[Greatoliver]

Originally Posted by RockerAlex

There's no myth, if you don't want to be playing with rope thickness strings then lengthen your scale. Personally, I've found 0.80 gauge strings on a 26.5" to be FAR FAR too floppy and there's no way I'd ever step into 0.90 territory, to me, that's ridiculous.

The myth is that kiddies think longer scales will be "harder" to play on.

Well, that's true, but you assumed a lot with your previous statement... You assume people tune down on sevens, and that people don't like the feel of thick strings. There is no "should" - you are stating your opinion as fact, which is why people are rebutting

And longer scales can mean longer stretches at the bottom frets, so are harder in that respect.

[BigPhi84]

Originally Posted by Greatoliver

Well, that's true, but you assumed a lot with your previous statement... You assume people tune down on sevens, and that people don't like the feel of thick strings. There is no "should" - you are stating your opinion as fact, which is why people are rebutting

And longer scales can mean longer stretches at the bottom frets, so are harder in that respect.

Plus, bending is harder on longer scale lengths. That's why I don't play my RG1077XL anymore, unless it's just run-of-the-mill rhythm guitar work.