The Official Agile Intrepid 8-string Thread - Darren Rules!

darren · 10-06-2006, 01:45 PM

I built one guitar about 16 years ago. I've been designing instruments as a hobby/obsession ever since, but haven't built anything for lack of a shop space. That hopefully should be changing in the not-too-distant future.

technomancer · 10-06-2006, 01:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Drew

I'd say while that's not approval, per se, that's also DEFINITELY not a "that's not feasible."

So far we have two guys who wouldn't buy it if it's fanned, as opposed to maybe 8-10 changing their boxers over the prospect of an affordable fanned fret 8. From a marketing perspective, fanned frets probably make sense.

Ok, when EMG pickups have been ruled out as 'too expensive' I'd say a fret option that adds a $75 per instrument license fee and which the factory that will be building the instrument is probably not tooled to handle is probably realistically not an option. I could be wrong, in fact for those that want fanned frets I hope I am, but at the same time I don't want to see this turn into a $1000+ instrument.

bostjan · 10-06-2006, 01:55 PM

Ok, ok, let's think a little more clearly about this.

Think of how a jig cuts fret slots, now think of how you can do that to get fanned frets? It's apparent that the cost in production is greater than the cost in licensing.

Do fanned frets have advantages? Certainly they do! Better intonations easier tuning, less radical string gauges, and better harmonics. To top it all off, it becomes possible to get more uniform pick attack and palm muting on all eight strings. If the cost of all of this is $100, the only way you could say no is if you don't have $100.

But honestly, have you ever seen a mass production fanned fret guitar? I don't think Dingwall is automating their production, and you just don't see that many instruments from them. If Kurt can find a way to add fanned frets to automated production or even just to a large scale manufactured guitar, then it would be a breakthrough. Unless he's got something in mind, I fear we won't see it happen.

As far as maple versus rosewood fretboards, I think it would look and sound much better with maple. You have every other guitar in the universe that you can get with a rosewood board, so I don't really see the problem there.

keithb · 10-06-2006, 02:07 PM

I think we really need to hear some "real talk" from Kurt about the possibilities here - we may just be pissing in the wind on the fanned fret issue

(yes, I read Kurt's post earlier in this thread)

NegaTiveXero · 10-06-2006, 02:11 PM

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Originally Posted by .jason.

Gurantee it will be I'd be suprised if it was over $799..the most expensive guitar I have seen rondo sell is $529 or $629

in regards to neg zero and urklvt...if you don't like it don't buy it..

I'm pretty sure that was my whole point. I don't like it, and I'm not going to buy it.

Drew · 10-06-2006, 02:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bostjan

But honestly, have you ever seen a mass production fanned fret guitar? I don't think Dingwall is automating their production, and you just don't see that many instruments from them. If Kurt can find a way to add fanned frets to automated production or even just to a large scale manufactured guitar, then it would be a breakthrough. Unless he's got something in mind, I fear we won't see it happen.

Quote:

Originally Posted by kurtzentmaier

[*]Frets

Jumbo

Kurt> No problem - but fanned could add at least $100+ to the price ($75 for the license alone)

I'm not saying I didn't find his answer surprising either, but let's not discount the possibility until he DOES specificaly tell us it's not an option.

Nik · 10-06-2006, 03:31 PM

Am I correct in understanding from this thread that you don't need a license to do fanned frets anymore?

thread:

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Loserchief · 10-06-2006, 04:48 PM

Those second designs are awesome. I'd definitely buy one if it gets made like this- Fanne frets would be cool but if not the 28 5/8 will do for me. This seems promising.

darren · 10-06-2006, 04:59 PM

I know that dan (Oni guitars) is having his fretboards laser-cut for the fanned fret slots.

Interesting... i hadn't read that about Novax's patent expiring. There no longer appears to be anything on his site about licensing, so i can only assume it's true.

So it looks like fanned frets... er... a multi-scale fretboard

just got $75 more feasible.

Loserchief · 10-06-2006, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren

Interesting... i hadn't read that about Novax's patent expiring. There no longer appears to be anything on his site about licensing, so i can only assume it's true.

So it looks like fanned frets... er... a multi-scale fretboard

just got $75 more feasible.

that make it even better. I'm really looking forward to seeing what's gonna happen about this guitar, and the fact that it would have to be prototyped/made first would also give me some time to save up

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bostjan Spastic Kitchen! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Indianapolis, IN Posts: 6,173 Main Seven: Oni Custom 7 Main ERG: Oni Custom 8 Rig: Mesa Dual Recto Thanked: 6	Ok, ok, let's think a little more clearly about this. Think of how a jig cuts fret slots, now think of how you can do that to get fanned frets? It's apparent that the cost in production is greater than the cost in licensing. Do fanned frets have advantages? Certainly they do! Better intonations easier tuning, less radical string gauges, and better harmonics. To top it all off, it becomes possible to get more uniform pick attack and palm muting on all eight strings. If the cost of all of this is $100, the only way you could say no is if you don't have $100. But honestly, have you ever seen a mass production fanned fret guitar? I don't think Dingwall is automating their production, and you just don't see that many instruments from them. If Kurt can find a way to add fanned frets to automated production or even just to a large scale manufactured guitar, then it would be a breakthrough. Unless he's got something in mind, I fear we won't see it happen. As far as maple versus rosewood fretboards, I think it would look and sound much better with maple. You have every other guitar in the universe that you can get with a rosewood board, so I don't really see the problem there. Khereb's myspace

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darren Mr. Negative Pants™ Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 7,242 Main Seven: OMFG! EBMM JP7 Rig: GT6PowerBlockThiele Thanked: 31	I know that dan (Oni guitars) is having his fretboards laser-cut for the fanned fret slots. Interesting... i hadn't read that about Novax's patent expiring. There no longer appears to be anything on his site about licensing, so i can only assume it's true. So it looks like fanned frets... er... a multi-scale fretboard just got $75 more feasible.


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