The Official Agile ERG Thread - Page 8

JJ Rodriguez · 10-18-2006, 06:46 AM

I wouldn't want 2 pickups, even if they are the same, because then you have 2 pickups for the middle strings, and one for the top/bottom strings. It wouldn't sound even at all, and it would be obvious if your sweeping or something.

urklvt · 10-18-2006, 07:21 AM

It would not be necessary to do that if we were willing to use bass pickups. 5-6 string Bartolini soapbars would do the job just fine.

JJ Rodriguez · 10-18-2006, 07:25 AM

I'd like to have Bartolini, or EMG if the cost would be too high for the Bartolini's.

Nik · 10-18-2006, 11:12 AM

Yeah, I know that, but how do bass pick-ups sound in a distorted-guitar context?

I've heard both good and bad things. If a production 8 does come around, it should come with at least decent pick-ups since most people won't be switching them out.

Just an idea

10-18-2006, 12:30 PM

Deliver it without pickup, let people deside what they want ?

Metal Ken · 10-18-2006, 12:33 PM

i like Nik's idea, except i'd use single coils and have 2 sets of 2 SC pickups.

bostjan · 10-18-2006, 12:40 PM

I'm tempted to start making my own pickups, since the actual construction is easy on a smal-scale level. The trick is getting them voiced right.

Once you get down to low F#, you have a string that a) is bigger and makes more EMF and b) is really deep. I wouldn't think that using two six string pickups would get a balanced sound, but it would be cheap.

Most smaller manufacturers will be able to make eight string pickups in small quantities. The big companies don't seem to want to bother. But if you want to make like 48 of these guitars, maybe a smaller company would be able to do it. It's better to have things done right.

Nik · 10-18-2006, 01:47 PM

Does Rondo qualify as a small company, and if they made a run of 8s, is 48 a realistic production number?

Cause if it does happen, that's pretty cool--I mean, talk about exclusivity

In any case, I would personally prefer two, big 8-string pick-ups, I was just tossing the 6-string pick-ups idea out there as a last resort, if nothing else seems to work.

The issue is that making good 8-string pick-ups is tricky, so I dunno...

Jeff · 10-18-2006, 03:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren

You mean since my post from about 24 hours ago? No. I haven't contacted Kurt to get a status update. I would imagine that when he's got something to tell us, he'll tell us here. I don't want to pester him... he's a busy guy.

Well? Did you hear anything yet, Darren?

*ducks flying crap being thrown at him across N. America*

metalfiend666 · 10-19-2006, 04:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nik

Yeah, I know that, but how do bass pick-ups sound in a distorted-guitar context?

EMG 45DC's sound amazing for a distorted 8 string.

Another posibillity is that Bare Knuckle will wind 8 string versions of all their pickups if you supply the bobbins. Unfortunately they're rather pricey for anyone not in the UK.

darren · 10-19-2006, 07:18 AM

Seymour Duncan wound 8-string versions of their Screamin' Demon pickup for LGM to use in the Leviiiathan 8-string. $200 a pop, though.

Digital Black · 10-23-2006, 05:01 PM

News?

(yeah, I'm interested-and I'm not even a fan of Rondo-but I might be if this is everything it's cracked up to be!)

darren · 10-23-2006, 05:21 PM

I've just emailed Kurt to inquire about the 8-string project... i'll keep you posted.

Nik · 10-23-2006, 06:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren

I've just emailed Kurt to inquire about the 8-string project... i'll keep you posted.

I've got my hopes up (probably not a good idea, though)... That blueburst

nyck · 10-23-2006, 06:02 PM

Man, if it's a maple fretboard, and a white finish, I would be instantly sold. I think a single pickup is a good way to cut costs down aswell.

darren · 10-24-2006, 12:00 AM

I got a reply back from Kurt:

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kurt

It's going to be a very slow process, I would not expect much until 2007 -

Kurt

Patience, gentlemen! These things don't happen overnight. I'm going to forward the revised specs and mockups to him, probably with a straight scale length option of 27" or 28".

nyck · 10-24-2006, 12:31 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren

I got a reply back from Kurt:

Patience, gentlemen! These things don't happen overnight. I'm going to forward the revised specs and mockups to him, probably with a straight scale length option of 27" or 28".

Awesome dude! thanks for talking to Kurt for everyone.

Nipples · 10-24-2006, 01:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren

I got a reply back from Kurt:

Patience, gentlemen! These things don't happen overnight. I'm going to forward the revised specs and mockups to him, probably with a straight scale length option of 27" or 28".

ilu.

Well, now I can go ahead and buy stuff in the meantime cuz it'll be a while

Nik · 10-24-2006, 10:22 AM

Sounds good -- I'm not gonna have the cash for a new guitar till 2007 anyway.

27" 8-string FTW...

So does this mean that things are actually moving?

Jerich · 10-24-2006, 10:37 AM

it would be great to purchase the guitars without pickups or Pots or a jack but all holes made.. so that would cut the price down alot...and it would satisfy all purests..........

Drew · 10-24-2006, 11:41 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jerich

it would be great to purchase the guitars without pickups or Pots or a jack but all holes made.. so that would cut the price down alot...and it would satisfy all purests..........

Couldn't work, dude. No one's agreed on a single set of specs. Half the people want EMG bass pickups, half want side-by-side singlecoils, half want 8-string sized passives, and half are wondering how the .... this is all working out mathematically as they read this.

Basically, they have to ship with something, because you gain nothing by going pickupless, and if you routed but didn't supply youd be tying everyone to one particular design anyway.

heavy7-665 · 10-24-2006, 02:31 PM

dude thanks for talkin to him for us Darren u rule!

keithb · 12-06-2006, 06:15 PM

Just a bump to keep the dream alive - after seeing pics of Bulb's 8, and seeing Eric Clemenzi's band Storm's Approach last week, I'm gassing for an 8

Jason · 12-06-2006, 06:35 PM

Any word Darren?

Nik · 12-06-2006, 07:32 PM

I wouldn't expect anything before NAMM. Not only does this take time, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kurt is keeping an eye out at NAMM to see if anybody releases a production 8 (if Ibanez release an 8, that might encourage him, etc.--there's a potential market).

Having said that, this thread needs to be stickied or something, cause if this happens, it will kick so much ass

If they do release an 8, I hope they do before next summer

EDIT: This sort of 'forest-green' finish would absolutely kill on Darren's design:

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10-18-2006, 11:12 AM	#179
Nik Arrogant asshole Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: My house Posts: 3,043 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Yeah, I know that, but how do bass pick-ups sound in a distorted-guitar context? I've heard both good and bad things. If a production 8 does come around, it should come with at least decent pick-ups since most people won't be switching them out. Just an idea ---------------------- Visit my band, 'Emulsifier.' Unless you suck. You don't suck... do you? http://www.myspace.com/demx

10-18-2006, 12:33 PM	#181
Metal Ken Hates the Air Join Date: Jun 2004 Location: Florida Posts: 17,847 Thanked: 82 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	i like Nik's idea, except i'd use single coils and have 2 sets of 2 SC pickups. If you list your gear in your signature, you're a prick.

10-18-2006, 12:40 PM	#182
bostjan Spastic Kitchen! Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: St. Johnsbury, VT USA Posts: 7,564 Thanked: 15 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I'm tempted to start making my own pickups, since the actual construction is easy on a smal-scale level. The trick is getting them voiced right. Once you get down to low F#, you have a string that a) is bigger and makes more EMF and b) is really deep. I wouldn't think that using two six string pickups would get a balanced sound, but it would be cheap. Most smaller manufacturers will be able to make eight string pickups in small quantities. The big companies don't seem to want to bother. But if you want to make like 48 of these guitars, maybe a smaller company would be able to do it. It's better to have things done right. [URL="http://sites.google.com/site/bostjanzupancickhereb/"[/URL]

10-18-2006, 06:46 AM	#176
JJ Rodriguez Pantysniffing zombie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 11,717 Thanked: 82 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	I wouldn't want 2 pickups, even if they are the same, because then you have 2 pickups for the middle strings, and one for the top/bottom strings. It wouldn't sound even at all, and it would be obvious if your sweeping or something.

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10-18-2006, 07:25 AM	#178
JJ Rodriguez Pantysniffing zombie Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Fredericton, New Brunswick, Canada Posts: 11,717 Thanked: 82 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	I'd like to have Bartolini, or EMG if the cost would be too high for the Bartolini's.

10-18-2006, 12:30 PM	#180
Desecrated Dirty Lurker Posts: n/a	Deliver it without pickup, let people deside what they want ?

10-18-2006, 01:47 PM	#183
Nik Arrogant asshole Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: My house Posts: 3,043 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Does Rondo qualify as a small company, and if they made a run of 8s, is 48 a realistic production number? Cause if it does happen, that's pretty cool--I mean, talk about exclusivity In any case, I would personally prefer two, big 8-string pick-ups, I was just tossing the 6-string pick-ups idea out there as a last resort, if nothing else seems to work. The issue is that making good 8-string pick-ups is tricky, so I dunno... ---------------------- Visit my band, 'Emulsifier.' Unless you suck. You don't suck... do you? http://www.myspace.com/demx

10-19-2006, 07:18 AM	#186
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 11,474 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 9 reviews	Seymour Duncan wound 8-string versions of their Screamin' Demon pickup for LGM to use in the Leviiiathan 8-string. $200 a pop, though.

10-23-2006, 05:01 PM	#187
Digital Black Divinitus Infallibilis Join Date: May 2004 Location: Cleveland , Ohio Posts: 5,322 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	News? (yeah, I'm interested-and I'm not even a fan of Rondo-but I might be if this is everything it's cracked up to be!) Born of Fire//--\\ Consumed by it Divinitus Infallibilis

10-23-2006, 05:21 PM	#188
darren Decibel Guitars Join Date: Oct 2004 Location: Greater Toronto Area, Canada Posts: 11,474 Thanked: 75 Feedback Score: 9 reviews	I've just emailed Kurt to inquire about the 8-string project... i'll keep you posted.

10-23-2006, 06:02 PM	#190
nyck blah! Join Date: May 2005 Location: Tallahassee, FL Posts: 2,977 Thanked: 2 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Man, if it's a maple fretboard, and a white finish, I would be instantly sold. I think a single pickup is a good way to cut costs down aswell.

10-24-2006, 10:22 AM	#194
Nik Arrogant asshole Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: My house Posts: 3,043 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Sounds good -- I'm not gonna have the cash for a new guitar till 2007 anyway. 27" 8-string FTW... So does this mean that things are actually moving? ---------------------- Visit my band, 'Emulsifier.' Unless you suck. You don't suck... do you? http://www.myspace.com/demx

10-24-2006, 10:37 AM	#195
Jerich ...is bitching Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: ridley park PA Posts: 1,940 Thanked: 18 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	it would be great to purchase the guitars without pickups or Pots or a jack but all holes made.. so that would cut the price down alot...and it would satisfy all purests.......... Brunetti Amplifiers Member since 07-02-2004..

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heavy7-665 SS.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2006 Location: Vernal, Utah Posts: 1,247 Thanked: 37 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	dude thanks for talkin to him for us Darren u rule!

12-06-2006, 06:15 PM	#198
keithb Carvin Zealot Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Providence, RI Posts: 1,129 Thanked: 15 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Just a bump to keep the dream alive - after seeing pics of Bulb's 8, and seeing Eric Clemenzi's band Storm's Approach last week, I'm gassing for an 8

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12-06-2006, 07:32 PM	#200
Nik Arrogant asshole Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: My house Posts: 3,043 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I wouldn't expect anything before NAMM. Not only does this take time, but I wouldn't be surprised if Kurt is keeping an eye out at NAMM to see if anybody releases a production 8 (if Ibanez release an 8, that might encourage him, etc.--there's a potential market). Having said that, this thread needs to be stickied or something, cause if this happens, it will kick so much ass If they do release an 8, I hope they do before next summer EDIT: This sort of 'forest-green' finish would absolutely kill on Darren's design: ---------------------- Visit my band, 'Emulsifier.' Unless you suck. You don't suck... do you? http://www.myspace.com/demx

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