The Official Agile ERG Thread - Page 128

Hollowway · 03-17-2009, 04:44 PM

Nice! What strings are you using and how is it tuned? I listened to a little, but can't listen too much (at work right now).

mgcasella · 03-17-2009, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darren

Does anybody know if they enlarged or repositioned the holes on the base plate of the second-run Standards? One issue i have with mine is that the bottom string actually gets "pinched" between the hole in the saddle and the hole in the bridge. I can't move my bottom-string saddle any further back, even if i wanted to.

Could this be fixed on the third-run Intrepids by simply having the bridge placed back a little farther? That way the increased distance from the nut to the bridge would compensate for the F# saddle thus enabling it to not have to be brought back as far.

Or, would that be too simple?

I'm not much when it comes to fretboard physics.

jamesmafyew · 03-17-2009, 05:17 PM

I have a second-run and it still has this problem, although it may not be as severe as the first-runs. I would say it's "right on the edge", detuned one semitone. So that may represent an improvement.

demolisher · 03-17-2009, 05:25 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgcasella

Could this be fixed on the second-run Intrepids by simply having the bridge placed back a little farther? That way the increased distance from the nut to the bridge would compensate for the F# saddle thus enabling it to not have to be brought back as far.

Or, would that be too simple?

I'm not much when it comes to fretboard physics.

The further back the bridge the further you have to move the saddles forward for the higher strings so it can get tough, but with longer intonation screws it should be better.

lefty robb · 03-17-2009, 05:47 PM

Could always put a 6 or 7 string bridge on it and put a individual saddle/s (like those used for Fanned fret guitars) for the 8th string (or 7 and 8) that way you could mount the individual saddle/s back farther. might have to machine down that side of the bridge to fit the individual saddles though.

eegor · 03-17-2009, 06:05 PM

What they need to do is engineer these bridges so that they are at a bit of an angle, but not anywhere as extreme as a fanned fret bridge. That way the F# saddle would be far enough away without having the high E saddle too far back.

mgcasella · 03-17-2009, 11:11 PM

My initial thought was that the bridge could just be placed about 1/8" to 1/4" farther back. This should get rid of the issues with intonating the F# (filing saddle, clipping the spring, cutting the screw, etc).

At the same time, the bridge wouldn't be too far back that you would have issues intonating the higher strings (I think)

A fanned bridge or individual saddles in a fanned pattern (such as the ones for bass here: Single Saddle Bass Bridge, Small, Black) would definitely be the best solution IMO but that would jack up the cost

TomAwesome · 03-17-2009, 11:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgcasella

My initial thought was that the bridge could just be placed about 1/8" to 1/4" farther back. This should get rid of the issues with intonating the F# (filing saddle, clipping the spring, cutting the screw, etc).

At the same time, the bridge wouldn't be too far back that you would have issues intonating the higher strings (I think)

They were already moved back a bit from their position in the first run. The saddles on the treble strings are pretty much at the ends of the screws, and for some people it may be necessary to get longer screws.

mgcasella · 03-17-2009, 11:21 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TomAwesome

They were already moved back a bit from their position in the first run. The saddles on the treble strings are pretty much at the ends of the screws, and for some people it may be necessary to get longer screws.

That sucks. Can longer screws be purchased anywhere? Maybe mass-produced fanned bridges on the cheap are the only way to go with this one. I really love the look of individual saddles in a fanned pattern, however.

TomAwesome · 03-17-2009, 11:32 PM

Screws can probably be gotten at most hardware stores, I'd imagine. With longer screws and one of those short saddles like the ones on the Schecter 8s, I think these bridges would work just fine.

mgcasella · 03-18-2009, 12:07 AM

Is it possible to replace the F# steel saddle with a Graphtech one and then just file the back down (I've heard graphite is easy to file)? This way, the saddle could be brought backwards farther and closer to the bridge.

Bakerman · 03-18-2009, 01:41 AM

3 mm wide, 20 mm long screws are perfect for higher strings; I found some at a hardware store last week. The bridge placement seems pretty good for a low F/F#. Maybe 1-2 mm further back would still be ok for the higher strings with 20 or 22 mm screws.

The stock screws are 16mm so this should give an idea how far forward the saddles are--end of the 20 mm screw just barely obscured by the saddle. This is with action around 2 mm (high) to 3mm (low) at the 12th fret, which will get slightly lower once I file the nut slots deeper, so the saddes may need to move a fraction of a mm further up after that.

jamesmafyew · 03-18-2009, 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgcasella

Is it possible to replace the F# steel saddle with a Graphtech one and then just file the back down (I've heard graphite is easy to file)? This way, the saddle could be brought backwards farther and closer to the bridge.

Yes, I've done this --- filed front and back, which will only give you about 1-2mm of extra adjustment. The graphtech saddles are slightly longer than the stock steel saddles anyway, so it's really more like 1mm only.

Check this post for a picture. I have since clipped the screw, removed the spring, and radiused the back corner to get it all the way back.

Giamatti · 03-18-2009, 10:10 AM

In a slight skew from the topic at hand, MY INTREPID CAME TODAY!

Seeing as the forum has been inundated with NI(ntrepid)Ds due to the latest run being dispatched, I thought I'd save the clutter and just mention it here. 1st erg, and I'm AMAZED at how comfy it is.

The intonation is grand too, thankfully, but individual saddles would rock.

darren · 03-18-2009, 10:15 AM

So which one did you get?

Giamatti · 03-18-2009, 10:24 AM

The Natural Pro, I got it off Iondestroyer here on Sevenstring, as I missed the deadline for the last batch, and couldn't wait 5-6 months for the next run as the money I saved for it wouldn't last that long. Tip top nick, I really love it. Cheers Darren!

yellowv · 03-18-2009, 10:39 AM

Nattie Pros are still in stock at Rondo. oops edit that only the ebony board ones.

Hollowway · 03-18-2009, 11:02 AM

Well, I've officially decided the nut is just too damn high. I'm going to take it in to the tech at the local music store and have the slots filed down. It plays fine, but just knowing I could get it a little lower is eating at me!

mgcasella · 03-18-2009, 04:30 PM

Does anyone know when the next line of Intrepids will be ready to order? I really wanted one of those ghostbursts with the rosewood fretboard

TomAwesome · 03-18-2009, 04:30 PM

You'd have to ask Kurt.

eegor · 03-18-2009, 05:01 PM

So, I changed the strings on my Intrepid to a custom set: 10, 13, 17, 26, 36, 48, 62, 80, tuned E A D G C F A D (or F# standard, but one step down). Intonation was pretty much perfect out of the box, but for some reason I can't get the C string to stop buzzing on the first fret. Its saddle is already higher than the others, and I've adjusted the truss rod about as much as I feel comfortable with, and it still buzzes pretty bad on the first fret.

Do you guys have any suggestions for what I should do? I'm thinking about taking it to someone to set it up correctly, as I don't have much experience with guitar tech stuff.

amassivetree · 03-18-2009, 05:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mgcasella

Does anyone know when the next line of Intrepids will be ready to order? I really wanted one of those ghostbursts with the rosewood fretboard

I'm really anxious too to throw a down payment on a Kahler one before I blow my new guitar fund on something stupid. I was going to ask in the Interceptor thread (I think the trem might go along with the short-scale, interceptor body idea), but didnt want to exhume a dying thread...

Groff · 03-18-2009, 10:24 PM

Ok, one more time, with feeling.

http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gui...this-time.html

So if anyone is GASing for one...

DrewsifStalin · 03-19-2009, 03:04 PM

ok, so can someone summarize the intonation problem for me?

TomAwesome · 03-19-2009, 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrewsifStalin

ok, so can someone summarize the intonation problem for me?

The saddles on the low strings don't go back quite far enough, and the saddles on the high strings don't go forward quite enough.

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03-18-2009, 10:15 AM	#3190
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03-18-2009, 04:30 PM	#3195
TomAwesome I LIKE JUICE!!! Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Texas Posts: 8,292 Thanked: 43 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	You'd have to ask Kurt. "Tom, you're like 1 part a serious dork, and 2 parts the most awesome ....ing guy ever." -

03-17-2009, 04:44 PM	#3176
Hollowway SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 6,221 Thanked: 105 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Nice! What strings are you using and how is it tuned? I listened to a little, but can't listen too much (at work right now).

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03-17-2009, 05:47 PM	#3180
lefty robb Shred like a mofo Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Worcester,MA Posts: 1,312 Thanked: 13 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	Could always put a 6 or 7 string bridge on it and put a individual saddle/s (like those used for Fanned fret guitars) for the 8th string (or 7 and 8) that way you could mount the individual saddle/s back farther. might have to machine down that side of the bridge to fit the individual saddles though.

03-17-2009, 06:05 PM	#3181
eegor Theoretical Reality Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Nashville Posts: 1,008 Thanked: 7 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	What they need to do is engineer these bridges so that they are at a bit of an angle, but not anywhere as extreme as a fanned fret bridge. That way the F# saddle would be far enough away without having the high E saddle too far back.

03-17-2009, 11:11 PM	#3182
mgcasella SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 494 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 17 reviews	My initial thought was that the bridge could just be placed about 1/8" to 1/4" farther back. This should get rid of the issues with intonating the F# (filing saddle, clipping the spring, cutting the screw, etc). At the same time, the bridge wouldn't be too far back that you would have issues intonating the higher strings (I think) A fanned bridge or individual saddles in a fanned pattern (such as the ones for bass here: Single Saddle Bass Bridge, Small, Black) would definitely be the best solution IMO but that would jack up the cost

03-18-2009, 12:07 AM	#3186
mgcasella SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 494 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Is it possible to replace the F# steel saddle with a Graphtech one and then just file the back down (I've heard graphite is easy to file)? This way, the saddle could be brought backwards farther and closer to the bridge.

03-18-2009, 01:41 AM	#3187
Bakerman ss.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Minnesota Posts: 97 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	3 mm wide, 20 mm long screws are perfect for higher strings; I found some at a hardware store last week. The bridge placement seems pretty good for a low F/F#. Maybe 1-2 mm further back would still be ok for the higher strings with 20 or 22 mm screws. The stock screws are 16mm so this should give an idea how far forward the saddles are--end of the 20 mm screw just barely obscured by the saddle. This is with action around 2 mm (high) to 3mm (low) at the 12th fret, which will get slightly lower once I file the nut slots deeper, so the saddes may need to move a fraction of a mm further up after that.

03-18-2009, 10:10 AM	#3189
Giamatti ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 356 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	In a slight skew from the topic at hand, MY INTREPID CAME TODAY! Seeing as the forum has been inundated with NI(ntrepid)Ds due to the latest run being dispatched, I thought I'd save the clutter and just mention it here. 1st erg, and I'm AMAZED at how comfy it is. The intonation is grand too, thankfully, but individual saddles would rock.

03-18-2009, 10:24 AM	#3191
Giamatti ss.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Ireland Posts: 356 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	The Natural Pro, I got it off Iondestroyer here on Sevenstring, as I missed the deadline for the last batch, and couldn't wait 5-6 months for the next run as the money I saved for it wouldn't last that long. Tip top nick, I really love it. Cheers Darren!

03-18-2009, 10:39 AM	#3192
yellowv Turd Ferguson Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: S. Florida Posts: 7,091 Thanked: 220 Feedback Score: 19 reviews	Nattie Pros are still in stock at Rondo. oops edit that only the ebony board ones.

03-18-2009, 11:02 AM	#3193
Hollowway SS.org Regular Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: California Posts: 6,221 Thanked: 105 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Well, I've officially decided the nut is just too damn high. I'm going to take it in to the tech at the local music store and have the slots filed down. It plays fine, but just knowing I could get it a little lower is eating at me!

03-18-2009, 04:30 PM	#3194
mgcasella SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Lawrence, KS Posts: 494 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 17 reviews	Does anyone know when the next line of Intrepids will be ready to order? I really wanted one of those ghostbursts with the rosewood fretboard

03-18-2009, 05:01 PM	#3196
eegor Theoretical Reality Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Nashville Posts: 1,008 Thanked: 7 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	So, I changed the strings on my Intrepid to a custom set: 10, 13, 17, 26, 36, 48, 62, 80, tuned E A D G C F A D (or F# standard, but one step down). Intonation was pretty much perfect out of the box, but for some reason I can't get the C string to stop buzzing on the first fret. Its saddle is already higher than the others, and I've adjusted the truss rod about as much as I feel comfortable with, and it still buzzes pretty bad on the first fret. Do you guys have any suggestions for what I should do? I'm thinking about taking it to someone to set it up correctly, as I don't have much experience with guitar tech stuff.

03-18-2009, 10:24 PM	#3198
Groff Medicine Chief/RHLC© Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: South Jersey Posts: 6,883 Thanked: 253 Feedback Score: 18 reviews	Ok, one more time, with feeling. http://www.sevenstring.org/forum/gui...this-time.html So if anyone is GASing for one... AHHH MOTHERLAND! All hail soviet Arktanistan-Groffistan!

03-19-2009, 03:04 PM	#3199
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