Prejudice against ERGs? - Page 2

The Reverend · 01-22-2011, 04:51 PM

You know, if someone gets an ERG for chugging, that's okay. They're using one of the unique qualities of the instrument to their advantage. We have to be careful not to turn into the kind of people this thread is about!

I think true progression in music comes from using instruments in ways they weren't specifically designed for.

In all aspects of your life, NO SHAME

. Like your music, and let haters hate.

vansinn · 01-22-2011, 04:56 PM

Boy, am I glad that I in my early teens took the firm decision to never stop being interested in what's new and hot - due to my parent's never being interested in anything new (no pun on them). These days they just about only care about Deutche Schlager Paraden

I'm 53 now, play hard rock, progressive metal, progressive jazz fusion, love classical, ethnic, african drums, arab and indian music, bebob jazz...
Though still only playing 6'ers and 7's bass, can hardly wait for my first 8-stringer

..it's good knowing your past and live in the present, but keep moving on, or risk getting left behind..

highlordmugfug · 01-22-2011, 05:15 PM

Arkanedemon, sounds like you work with a bunch of ....ing idiots. Aka: Dim witted ....s.

Guitarman700 · 01-22-2011, 05:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Reverend

You know, if someone gets an ERG for chugging, that's okay. They're using one of the unique qualities of the instrument to their advantage. We have to be careful not to turn into the kind of people this thread is about!

I think true progression in music comes from using instruments in ways they weren't specifically designed for.

In all aspects of your life, NO SHAME

. Like your music, and let haters hate.

SirMyghin · 01-22-2011, 05:20 PM

Any prejudice to ERGs exist because 7 string guitars are a gateway instrument. You get that extra string, then you are fine for a while, then you think I need to go deeper. Then you get an 8ths string, but you still are satisfied, this one doesn't have the high that last one did. So you get another, and another. Next thing you know string changes cost more than the guitar did, because you have a 25/40" fanned fret 15 string guitar.

Demiurge · 01-22-2011, 05:24 PM

Let's face it: most music stores are like the book stores you go into with a "staff picks" section featuring Twilight, Dan Brown, and cook books. It's a retail store staffed with retail people, and only 10% of the people working at these establishments are there because they care/know about/have an open mind about the product.

ArkaneDemon · 01-22-2011, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by vansinn

..it's good knowing your past and live in the present, but keep moving on, or risk getting left behind..

Great quote.

Quote:

Originally Posted by highlordmugfug

Arkanedemon, sounds like you work with a bunch of ....ing idiots. Aka: Dim witted ....s.

Only when it comes to music. They always throw around the quote "different strokes for different folks" unless it's something they don't like, in which case the thing sucks. It defies the point of throwing the quote around.

They're pretty cool guys otherwise. The only difference is that when I don't like something of theirs, I keep my mouth shut. They don't. When fifteen year olds come into the store and plug in a guitar and start playing drop D metalcore-type riffs, they always say "why don't you go talk to that guy, maybe you can start a band with him!" Even though I told them repeatedly I don't like that stuff, to which they come back with "but it's metal," like that's what all of metal encompasses.

Another story: so I was sitting around with the one guy, and we're talking about Kijiji (we both use it to find bands, musicians, etc). He says "man, I don't understand how you find musicians." I was a bit curious, so I asked him what he meant. "It's because your genre is a joke! *laugh*"

highlordmugfug · 01-22-2011, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkaneDemon

Only when it comes to music. They always throw around the quote "different strokes for different folks" unless it's something they don't like, in which case the thing sucks. It defies the point of throwing the quote around.

They're pretty cool guys otherwise. The only difference is that when I don't like something of theirs, I keep my mouth shut. They don't. When fifteen year olds come into the store and plug in a guitar and start playing drop D metalcore-type riffs, they always say "why don't you go talk to that guy, maybe you can start a band with him!" Even though I told them repeatedly I don't like that stuff, to which they come back with "but it's metal," like that's what all of metal encompasses.

Another story: so I was sitting around with the one guy, and we're talking about Kijiji (we both use it to find bands, musicians, etc). He says "man, I don't understand how you find musicians." I was a bit curious, so I asked him what he meant. "It's because your genre is a joke! *laugh*"

May I suggest:

That's really rude, stupid, and inconsiderate. .... stupid people. [/low_tolerance_of_douchebaggery]

Double A · 01-22-2011, 05:36 PM

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Originally Posted by ArkaneDemon

I laughed until my stomach hurt from that video when I first watched it. The difference between that video, and the people I work with is that the people I work are genuinely hostile to anything that isn't traditional. Hostile to the point where I just want to walk away from the place.

The one time (a bit off topic), the two were talking about bringing back psychedelic music, and the one said "we'll just wait until all the metalheads die out so we can bring it back." I was so close to punching the guy in the mouth.

Not to get off topic but there is tons and tons of new psychedelic style rock out there if they would just care to look for it.

ArkaneDemon · 01-22-2011, 05:37 PM

^ Holy .... that hammer is awesome. But I think I want to get a third fist on there, you know, to get more range.

ArkaneDemon · 01-22-2011, 05:37 PM

Double Post. Oops.

highlordmugfug · 01-22-2011, 05:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ArkaneDemon

^ Holy .... that hammer is awesome. But I think I want to get a third fist on there, you know, to get more range.

All the old construction workers will make fun of you just like the guys you work with now.

Rick · 01-22-2011, 05:49 PM

I'm anti-6 string, actually.

yellowv · 01-22-2011, 05:58 PM

I remember years ago how people would look at me like I was a retard when I was trying to poece together strings sets for my 7 10 or so years ago. Just ignorance. Actually the last time I got strings for my 8 locally they were quite interested in it, though.

failshredder · 01-22-2011, 06:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Explorer

Is my guitar meant to be a midrange instrument? I didn't know that! The warning labels must have been removed by someone else before I got it! *laugh*

Seriously, though, *who* intended guitar to be a midrange instrument? And, if intentions have weight, wasn't it intended to be an acoustic instrument, with gut strings? *laugh*

This is an excellent point. If I were to rewrite that post, I'd replace "meant to be" with "sounds best to my totally awesome ears as."

Quote:

My eight-strings have a range of an electric bass and an electric guitar. With effects, I use it to emulate and cover parts for double bass, cello, viola and violin, as well as wind instruments.

I also follow the examples and playing of Leo Nocentelli, and use my instruments to do a style of funky interlocking bass/guitar parts.

snip

Cheers!

Curses, foiled again. Yousa point is well-taken. Just... please keep in mind that I'm not trying to tell you what you can and can't do. If you come up with something that sounds good to me that does away with actually having bassists in the band, hell, more power to you! I just tend to think in terms of (read: vaguely influenced by) common-practice period part-writing, where the instruments are not supposed to invade one another's ranges. And yes, I do have the knowledge of tonal harmony to know what that means. For the most part. *chuckle*

op1e · 01-22-2011, 06:16 PM

Last bassist we had was a 4 stringer. It actually sounded great with him moving around in higher octaves than us while we played in A or C.

potatohead · 01-22-2011, 06:51 PM

No offense to anyone, but this guy is EXACTLY how I view middle aged people in the south. Completely closed off to anything that they don't know, basically the most ignorant people on planet earth. The kind of people that can't find the USA on a map of the earth. The kind of people that still think a '67 Camaro is the fastest car ever made even though by today's standards, it's a slow pig.

I don't even have a seven string, let alone an eight, but this kind of thinking is so annoying. If everybody thought this way we'd still be running around in animal hides chasing things with spears and rocks.

WickedSymphony · 01-22-2011, 06:54 PM

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Originally Posted by potatohead

If everybody thought this way we'd still be running around in animal hides chasing things with spears and rocks.

Yeah, but how ....ing metal would that be?

potatohead · 01-22-2011, 06:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickedSymphony

Yeah, but how ....ing metal would that be?

Yeah, that's true

lol

13point9 · 01-22-2011, 07:04 PM

oh theres a second video that cements his opinion...

Love how the 1st clip is Broderick playing a 7...

ArkaneDemon · 01-22-2011, 07:11 PM

His facial expressions are priceless

failshredder · 01-22-2011, 07:19 PM

He's obviously trolling, and it's actually funny. Particularly since Broderick's sound in that tapping clip is pretty damn awful.

13point9 · 01-22-2011, 07:23 PM

theres another one where he got a triple neck, he curses the gods on that one hahaha

ArkaneDemon · 01-22-2011, 07:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WickedSymphony

Yeah, but how ....ing metal would that be?

Not nearly as metal as verbally blast beating and wearing corpsepaint while hunting. Going up to a deer looking like Gaahl while yelling BRATATATATATATATATA and throwing a spear right through the deer's left eye. Can't possibly get more metal than that.

Eric Christian · 01-22-2011, 08:15 PM

Bottom line is a certain percentage of people like to sit around and complain and shit that doesn't really have any effect on them. Generally, I've found that they are shallow and empty individuals that typically lead really boring lives. They like to try to start arguments about stuff like politics and religion because they are just really unhappy people. The best policy is to just isolate and ignore or perhaps just smile & nod. If they put you on the spot always say you don't know enough about the subject to form an opinion then politely excuse yourself to the restroom.

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01-22-2011, 04:51 PM	#26
The Reverend fucking motherfucker Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Houston, TX Posts: 2,353 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	You know, if someone gets an ERG for chugging, that's okay. They're using one of the unique qualities of the instrument to their advantage. We have to be careful not to turn into the kind of people this thread is about! I think true progression in music comes from using instruments in ways they weren't specifically designed for. In all aspects of your life, NO SHAME . Like your music, and let haters hate. If you're going to 'like' my posts, give me some rep instead. "i just laughed at my own reflection, not sure if ugly or drunk" -Murmel

01-22-2011, 05:24 PM	#31
Demiurge Intrepid Jackass Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Worcester, MA Posts: 2,315 Thanked: 7 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Let's face it: most music stores are like the book stores you go into with a "staff picks" section featuring Twilight, Dan Brown, and cook books. It's a retail store staffed with retail people, and only 10% of the people working at these establishments are there because they care/know about/have an open mind about the product. "I like Christian rock. It's very positive. It's not like those real musicians who think they're so cool and hip." -George Costanza

01-22-2011, 05:37 PM	#35
ArkaneDemon SS.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Frozen Wastelands of the North Posts: 812 Thanked: 14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ Holy .... that hammer is awesome. But I think I want to get a third fist on there, you know, to get more range. On a side note the whole idea of cheating in music is absurd in my opinion. It's impossible to cheat in an artform that has no rules. - Durero Check out some of my stuff: (a bit of EDM, EP coming in May or June)http://soundcloud.com/volumevlad

01-22-2011, 05:37 PM	#36
ArkaneDemon SS.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Frozen Wastelands of the North Posts: 812 Thanked: 14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Double Post. Oops. On a side note the whole idea of cheating in music is absurd in my opinion. It's impossible to cheat in an artform that has no rules. - Durero Check out some of my stuff: (a bit of EDM, EP coming in May or June)http://soundcloud.com/volumevlad

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01-22-2011, 04:56 PM	#27
vansinn such a shredneck.. Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Cph, dk Posts: 1,352 Thanked: 17 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Boy, am I glad that I in my early teens took the firm decision to never stop being interested in what's new and hot - due to my parent's never being interested in anything new (no pun on them). These days they just about only care about Deutche Schlager Paraden I'm 53 now, play hard rock, progressive metal, progressive jazz fusion, love classical, ethnic, african drums, arab and indian music, bebob jazz... Though still only playing 6'ers and 7's bass, can hardly wait for my first 8-stringer ..it's good knowing your past and live in the present, but keep moving on, or risk getting left behind..

01-22-2011, 05:15 PM	#28
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01-22-2011, 05:20 PM	#30
SirMyghin The Dirt Guy Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Anywhere but here. Posts: 7,163 Thanked: 41 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Any prejudice to ERGs exist because 7 string guitars are a gateway instrument. You get that extra string, then you are fine for a while, then you think I need to go deeper. Then you get an 8ths string, but you still are satisfied, this one doesn't have the high that last one did. So you get another, and another. Next thing you know string changes cost more than the guitar did, because you have a 25/40" fanned fret 15 string guitar.

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Rick SENSUAL CAPTAIN Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 16,111 Thanked: 101 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	I'm anti-6 string, actually. Krullnar likes this. Head of Agile Gestapo Line 6 XDS95-->Line 6 POD X3 Pro-->Matrix GT800FX-->Line 6 Spidervalve 4x12 cabinet https://www.facebook.com/thealphaandtheomegamusic

01-22-2011, 05:58 PM	#39
yellowv Turd Ferguson Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: S. Florida Posts: 7,091 Thanked: 220 Feedback Score: 19 reviews	I remember years ago how people would look at me like I was a retard when I was trying to poece together strings sets for my 7 10 or so years ago. Just ignorance. Actually the last time I got strings for my 8 locally they were quite interested in it, though.

01-22-2011, 06:16 PM	#41
op1e JCM 8150? Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Atwater, OH United States Posts: 1,260 Thanked: 12 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Last bassist we had was a 4 stringer. It actually sounded great with him moving around in higher octaves than us while we played in A or C. Facebook for likes --- Ashkult Reverbnation for music --- Ashkult

01-22-2011, 06:51 PM	#42
potatohead SS.org Regular Join Date: Jul 2009 Location: Vancouver Posts: 964 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	No offense to anyone, but this guy is EXACTLY how I view middle aged people in the south. Completely closed off to anything that they don't know, basically the most ignorant people on planet earth. The kind of people that can't find the USA on a map of the earth. The kind of people that still think a '67 Camaro is the fastest car ever made even though by today's standards, it's a slow pig. I don't even have a seven string, let alone an eight, but this kind of thinking is so annoying. If everybody thought this way we'd still be running around in animal hides chasing things with spears and rocks.

01-22-2011, 07:04 PM	#45
13point9 Now with Less Hair! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: London Posts: 1,874 Thanked: 66 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	oh theres a second video that cements his opinion... Love how the 1st clip is Broderick playing a 7... "I won't be satisfied until somebody can whammy a whole piano." Pink Freud ".... that, I'd rather eat 20 pounds of steak and then prove how jacked I am by having angry sex with their mothers whilst curling 200 pounds and drinking ale." maliciousteve

01-22-2011, 07:11 PM	#46
ArkaneDemon SS.org Regular Join Date: Sep 2010 Location: Frozen Wastelands of the North Posts: 812 Thanked: 14 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	His facial expressions are priceless On a side note the whole idea of cheating in music is absurd in my opinion. It's impossible to cheat in an artform that has no rules. - Durero Check out some of my stuff: (a bit of EDM, EP coming in May or June)http://soundcloud.com/volumevlad

01-22-2011, 07:19 PM	#47
failshredder hammer every cock Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Cooperstown, NY Posts: 550 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	He's obviously trolling, and it's actually funny. Particularly since Broderick's sound in that tapping clip is pretty damn awful. daily food like shit and beer this taste is stronger than heroin

01-22-2011, 07:23 PM	#48
13point9 Now with Less Hair! Join Date: Feb 2010 Location: London Posts: 1,874 Thanked: 66 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	theres another one where he got a triple neck, he curses the gods on that one hahaha "I won't be satisfied until somebody can whammy a whole piano." Pink Freud ".... that, I'd rather eat 20 pounds of steak and then prove how jacked I am by having angry sex with their mothers whilst curling 200 pounds and drinking ale." maliciousteve

01-22-2011, 08:15 PM	#50
Eric Christian SS.org Regular Join Date: Oct 2010 Location: Lake Oswego, OR Posts: 1,161 Thanked: 21 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Bottom line is a certain percentage of people like to sit around and complain and shit that doesn't really have any effect on them. Generally, I've found that they are shallow and empty individuals that typically lead really boring lives. They like to try to start arguments about stuff like politics and religion because they are just really unhappy people. The best policy is to just isolate and ignore or perhaps just smile & nod. If they put you on the spot always say you don't know enough about the subject to form an opinion then politely excuse yourself to the restroom.

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