[JBroll]

Originally Posted by chavhunter

Just coz they use triggered kicks doesnt mean that they are 'cheating' (feater hits), i was saying that SOME drummer do, and that was my main issue, along with the actual sound of some of them (ok, the sound generated by the drum brain).

As for drummers that dont use triggers, Im 99% sure that these guys dont:

Mike Portnoy
Jason Bittner
Chris Adler
Dave Lombardo

I might not be a great drummer (though I do play, have played drums for a couple of bands and some sessions) but Im fairly sure these guys are equally "ill-regarded in the drumming community, learn2play etc etc". Plus guys ive worked with in bands and at university, some of which were seriously anti-triggers.

Yeah, you're batting .000 there. On top of that, just looking at the vast majority of audio engineers in metal you get a nice list that uses triggers, if not for sound replacement then for other uses...

Jeff

[kristallin]

Originally Posted by chavhunter

All with triggered kicks? Thats suprising, as Ive found people on plenty of forums arguing that those drummers didnt use any kind of triggering. Apparently so! Cheers for that

The secret behind the sound of about 99% of all touring bands out there is the DDrum 3 brain. It's an ill-kept secret in pro drumming circles, and the reason why those brains are rare and, when you do find one, still in the $2500+ range, even though it's 15 year old technology.

[bulb]

if anything i would say that because triggers allow such present and consistant and fast attack, that they are almost harder to play on, sure you can play fast double bass without hitting hard, but they will be way more revealing than natural drums because of the way your kick drums will cut through.
its a stamina issue really, not all drummers have the ability to play a whole 250 bpm set at full velocity with mikes, its just inhuman to expect that, and triggers have shaped the sound of the extreme metal genre and allowed for that music to exist.

[chavhunter]

Bulb speaks, I listen!! Im guessing Mr. Orb triggers his kit?

On top of that, just looking at the vast majority of audio engineers in metal you get a nice list that uses triggers, if not for sound replacement then for other uses...

What other uses of triggers are there? :s

[JBroll]

Jesus God, did you not read any of my other posts at all?

Opening gates - allows a track to be active only a given time after a drum has only been hit - say you have tom mics going bonkers because they're surrounded by the snare and cymbals, and you want to only have them active when the toms are in use... triggers can open gates.

Adjusting plugin/effect parameters and ducking or raising any volumes temporarily - same situation - perhaps you don't want to kill the toms, but ducking them when the snare is hit is necessary...

Activating other media onstage... if you want a sequence of lights to go off at a certain time, and you know exactly how many snare hits (or whatever) there should be, you can have them set off automatically after a given number of trigger 'clicks' and not have to worry about playing anything differently. Or perhaps you want to change sounds when the trigger registers soft hits, to integrate a wide range of sounds more easily... set a threshold and when the intensity drops there's a reliable way of having a different sound with a different style.

Go back and read what I said earlier... it doesn't seem that you have yet. I posted for a reason. Asking a question and not following through with a discussion, only to come back later and show off ignorance of what happened in your own bloody thread, is very annoying.

Jeff

[Nick]

Originally Posted by chavhunter

lol true. ive done a hell of a lot more looking in to it and it seems all the 'extreme metal' drummers do use triggers, and I can see that if you're constantly playing double bass at 240bpm+ then you're gonna need triggered kicks unless you're lucky with the sound engineer/soundcheck. does this really apply with snare though? surely with different snares you have a hell of a lot more flexibility in what sound you get i.e. decay. is triggered snare as cmmon as triggered kicks?

this is just one example but to be fair you dont seem to actually know much about drumming on the whole. I think you based your origional post on a pretty narrow base of musical styles.

saying 'iv done more looking into it' about extreme metal drumming needing triggers is pretty daft as the use of triggers in drumming should instantly make you think of extreme metal drumming because thats where its most common?!?!

[JBroll]

He also hasn't looked into this thread very well, apparently.

Jeff

[Scarpie]

i have always been fond of triggers. before i learned to play any instruent, i thought you could buy a drumset and have it sound like lars ulrichs drum set right there in your bedroom. (not claiming ulrich's uses triggers or not,, just saying) but i honestly am more impressed with the sound of the modules. cause ray herrera always had a budget sounding kick drum to me taste, where as vinnie paul always had a thick ass kick sound. so it depends on what is sampling the sounds. at least for me.

[chavhunter]

Originally Posted by Nick

this is just one example but to be fair you dont seem to actually know much about drumming on the whole. I think you based your origional post on a pretty narrow base of musical styles.

well yeah, drumming isnt my main instrument and when i do play its more groove based as I dont have the time/patience/dedication to learn death metal drumming. this is why i was asking for other people's opinions on the subject...

Originally Posted by Nick

saying 'iv done more looking into it' about extreme metal drumming needing triggers is pretty daft as the use of triggers in drumming should instantly make you think of extreme metal drumming because thats where its most common?!?!

...though apparently i should have known this already without asking any questions :p


And Jeff yes I did read your reply about gating, parameters, but i thought that still came under sound replacement as its still the idea of having a sample played. unless you mean you have JUST the signal from the mics being gated in response to the triggers...? thinking about that, that's a really clever way of using triggers, and i can totally see why guys like portnoy would use triggers. basically when i started the thread i thought 'triggers' meant sound replacement with samples on the kicks, as that was the ONLY context in which id heard people mention triggers. but now that i understand about triggers being able to gate the signal from tom mics (this is what you mean, right?) etc., i can totally respect what you said earlier about "you dont dislike triggers, you dislike sound replacement". so do a lot of drummers outside of metal use triggers in this way? thanks for you help btw.

[stuh84]

Originally Posted by chavhunter

...though apparently i should have known this already without asking any questions :p

Thats what Googles for

Just being a dick, ignore me, I couldn't help it