[Desecrated]

If it is done like meshuggah did it on the new album I'm down for it, mixing both triggered and untriggered signals.

[Uber Mega]

Originally Posted by chavhunter

This may well be a personal thing, but I want to get some more opinions from people who know what's what in the world of METAL. I absolutely hate people using drum triggers, I think its basically cheating, and they often sound completely artificial. There we go, I said it.

I totally understand why people use them for high speed double bass, but I think being able to hit consistently with full power at speed is just part of being a good drummer. Im not saying I can do it, but there are guys I know of who dont use triggers, so its evidently possible. I see it as: dont put something on the album if you cant deliver it live. This goes for doing double bass blast beats then having to fall back on triggers live, as much as it goes for dragonforce and their shred-tastic live failings. Am I on my own on this, or does anyone else dislike triggers?

I agree on some points, but triggers aren't cheating at all, is a guitar tuner cheating? It's technology, and as long as its used naturally and tastefully, and it sounds good, i'm all for it.

[chavhunter]

Having read up a bit more and seeing that triggers are often mixed with a miced signal, thats not so bad. But the whole reason I say its ''cheating'' is when guys use JUST the triggers, as rather than changing the sound (like an amp (which cant really be called cheating since you cant hear your guitar without one!) or pedals) they totally replace it, allowing 'feather-hits' as some people have mentioned. Also, its a fair point about the sound engineers. From the sort of gigs I play a lot of, Ive come to expect a high level of proficiency from the sound crew in micing a kit. As a result of this I know a good double kick sound is perfectly acheivable with the right EQ, compresison, gating etc., but I can appreciate that in smaller venues this isnt always an option. Fair one.

[JJ Rodriguez]

Yeah, people will always find a way to abuse something. You can't fault guys who use triggers as a tool just because some people use them as a crutch.

[SevenDeadly]

I don't like them because our drummer always has techincal problems with them live. We'd never know before a show if they were going to work so he'd always be stressed.

[kristallin]

Originally Posted by SevenDeadly

I don't like them because our drummer always has techincal problems with them live. We'd never know before a show if they were going to work so he'd always be stressed.

Sounds like he needs to upgrade his triggers to something more reliable. Ddrum triggers will do the trick, and have him replace his cables while he's at it.

[Oogadee Boogadee]

I see the need for them (as all have listed the reasons already), and definitely respect how hard they are to play with.... but sometimes the sounds don't fit when it comes to a dynamic band.

with arsis, they were a necessity.... nonstop brutality
with maybe, say... opeth... they would suck the shit out of the ballad parts.

[Nick]

Originally Posted by chavhunter

This may well be a personal thing, but I want to get some more opinions from people who know what's what in the world of METAL. I absolutely hate people using drum triggers, I think its basically cheating, and they often sound completely artificial. There we go, I said it.

I totally understand why people use them for high speed double bass, but I think being able to hit consistently with full power at speed is just part of being a good drummer. Im not saying I can do it, but there are guys I know of who dont use triggers, so its evidently possible. I see it as: dont put something on the album if you cant deliver it live. This goes for doing double bass blast beats then having to fall back on triggers live, as much as it goes for dragonforce and their shred-tastic live failings. Am I on my own on this, or does anyone else dislike triggers?

go play 16's on double kick at 240bpm with no triggers and see if you like that sound better

[kristallin]

Originally Posted by Oogadee Boogadee

I see the need for them (as all have listed the reasons already), and definitely respect how hard they are to play with.... but sometimes the sounds don't fit when it comes to a dynamic band.

with arsis, they were a necessity.... nonstop brutality
with maybe, say... opeth... they would suck the shit out of the ballad parts.

The beauty of triggers is that you can switch sounds in your e-drum brain, no issue with ballads, you just change the sounds.

[chavhunter]

Originally Posted by Nick

go play 16's on double kick at 240bpm with no triggers and see if you like that sound better

depends on the gear used, if its a decent set-up and proper production then yeah I do prefer the sound to triggers