[SplinteredSoul]

Originally Posted by chavhunter

This may well be a personal thing, but I want to get some more opinions from people who know what's what in the world of METAL. I absolutely hate people using drum triggers, I think its basically cheating, and they often sound completely artificial. There we go, I said it.

I totally understand why people use them for high speed double bass, but I think being able to hit consistently with full power at speed is just part of being a good drummer. Im not saying I can do it, but there are guys I know of who dont use triggers, so its evidently possible. I see it as: dont put something on the album if you cant deliver it live. This goes for doing double bass blast beats then having to fall back on triggers live, as much as it goes for dragonforce and their shred-tastic live failings. Am I on my own on this, or does anyone else dislike triggers?

I dunno mate, I think whatever delivers a good song is fine by me. Of course if a drummer CAN do it without loops, all the better, but if it's OK to use a sampler for synths and vox, why not drums? To be honest, most triggers aren't always loops, but processed kick drum sounds that come out of a PA with more clarity than just mic'ing up the drum alone. They'll still be using the kick pedal on the skin, but a mic inside the bass drum will send a trigger to the sample to play the processed sample in a millisecond, much like playing a set of V-Drums. So I wouldn't say triggers are any more cheating than an eBow/Sustainer/Pitch Shifter etc.,! You can't do any of that live without tools either :P

[JJ Rodriguez]

Originally Posted by kristallin

Tell your guitarist he's an idiot. You could trigger a sample of two kick drum hits, but by the time you've created a sample like that in all tempos you could possibly imagine ever needing, and learned to play with such precision that it doesn't sound uneven anymore you might as well have learned to just play the pattern at the right speed.

Well, you COULD track the drums using triggers, and then double up on the kicks in a drum editor in Cubase or whatever you're using.

[ibznorange]

I dont mind the use of triggers, but its the tone that people use for alot of triggered beats that i cant stand. In alot of songs, particularly with fast double bass, its too clacky, almost like its half snare and half bass drum. Honestly, that issue is what keeps me from 2/3 of the metal suggestions people make for me. the drumming itself is fine, its just the tone of the bass drum irritates me so badly that i cant fucking listen to the music

[JBroll]

That's a problem with drums that haven't been sampled too - uberscooped clicketyclack is a fairly widespread problem and it's not really related to triggers.

Jeff

[kristallin]

Originally Posted by JJ Rodriguez

Well, you COULD track the drums using triggers, and then double up on the kicks in a drum editor in Cubase or whatever you're using.

Studio it's no issue, but when it comes to live any mistake is going to be a glaring mistake of the "LOL, loser on teh drums" kind.

[JJ Rodriguez]

Originally Posted by kristallin

Studio it's no issue, but when it comes to live any mistake is going to be a glaring mistake of the "LOL, loser on teh drums" kind.

Pretty much.

[turmoil]

i have no problem with triggers. it's only when the drum has a god-awful annoying sample for a kick drum for example.

[Espaul]

In my band when we record, we trigger a drumset, and use the drumsounds from ezdrummer but one can also use dfh superior too, but we don't have it.

The reason we do it in recordings is because then we don't have to record with mics, and that is nice This is of course only when we do rough recordings, not for cd.

But those samples are pretty good IMO

[Jason]

What people fail to realize is that its not the triggers its the samples most people don't like WHICH you can make regular mic'd drums sound like "triggered" drums

[drmosh]

Originally Posted by Jason

What people fail to realize is that its not the triggers its the samples most people don't like WHICH you can make regular mic'd drums sound like "triggered" drums

exactly. Anyone that says they hate triggers, doesn't actually properly understand what they do.