[JBroll]

The 'thump' is there, but the dominant part (as with a lot of live kicks) is the click - find the fundamental of the kick and keep that, get rid of a lot of mids, and then add a good bit of high mids and treble where the click you want lies.

Jeff

[chavhunter]

Cheers mate Ive now recently found myself getting very annoyed at people who post comments on youtube saying how "OMG triggerz r shit!!1!" etc., Ive directed a few of them to a page of this thread so they can learn what trigs can actually do.

[Naren]

People who hate triggers just want to hate random things. They probably hate most things in their life, hate their parents, hate their school or job, hate all their music albums, hate all politicians and celebrities, hate all acquaintances, hate sports and entertainment, and hate being alive.

[JBroll]

It seems to be more along the lines of 'purer-than-thou' elitism, the same shit behind t00b snobs and half-grand boutique pedals.

Jeff

[Naren]

Originally Posted by JBroll

It seems to be more along the lines of 'purer-than-thou' elitism, the same shit behind t00b snobs and half-grand boutique pedals.

Jeff

I really don't get the logic behind it and I doubt anyone could reasonably argue their way through that idea (by "reasonably," I mean "not using youtube style baseless statements").

[JBroll]

That's why I make gigantic-assed posts like I did up there.

Jeff

[swayman]

Originally Posted by chavhunter

This may well be a personal thing, but I want to get some more opinions from people who know what's what in the world of METAL. I absolutely hate people using drum triggers, I think its basically cheating, and they often sound completely artificial. There we go, I said it.

I totally understand why people use them for high speed double bass, but I think being able to hit consistently with full power at speed is just part of being a good drummer. Im not saying I can do it, but there are guys I know of who dont use triggers, so its evidently possible. I see it as: dont put something on the album if you cant deliver it live. This goes for doing double bass blast beats then having to fall back on triggers live, as much as it goes for dragonforce and their shred-tastic live failings. Am I on my own on this, or does anyone else dislike triggers?

I respectfully disagree wholeheartedly mate.

A compressor is a way of acheiving a consistant sound of the same level, as are triggers.

There is A LOT more "cheating" when it comes to guitars, feedback destroyers being one example. A drummer could argue a good guitarist shouldn't need a feedback eliminator unit because they should be able to control the feedback (betcha didn't think of that! ).

I personally prefer drummers that beat the shit out of their drums. My drummer is able to kick all the bass drum stuff with great dexterity without triggers, but also plays with triggers live.

[petereanima]

i used to hate triggers but meanwhile i love the fact that our drummer uses them (for bassdurm and snare) - simply because his live-sound is great on every gig, also on those where we have to play over crappy backline.

[Brendan G]

I don't think that triggers are cheating just by having them, my guitarist told me of ways you can cheat with them, like the triggers registering one kick as two kicks if that makes sense. Triggers in many ways are beneficial, they pickup the hits much better than a microphone would. Also you can make triggers not sound like a click, it just takes some patience.

[kristallin]

Originally Posted by Brendan G

my guitarist told me of ways you can cheat with them, like the triggers registering one kick as two kicks if that makes sense.

Tell your guitarist he's an idiot. You could trigger a sample of two kick drum hits, but by the time you've created a sample like that in all tempos you could possibly imagine ever needing, and learned to play with such precision that it doesn't sound uneven anymore you might as well have learned to just play the pattern at the right speed.