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Unread 04-04-2010, 05:20 AM   #1426
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Seb, all those bodies are for 7 string ?

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Unread 04-04-2010, 08:55 AM   #1427
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is the body thickness 45mm or less?

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out of curiosity, why would you want to know the thickness? like, is there something you need it for, or are you just comparing with other guitars?

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it matters on sound - weight - flexibility -> just to know guys -_- cause it looks really thin


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it matters on sound - weight - flexibility -> just to know guys -_- cause it looks really thin


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I wouldn't worry too much about it. The S series guitars, Blackmachines, SGs, and others get really thin without too many issues
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I wouldn't worry too much about it. The S series guitars, Blackmachines, SGs, and others get really thin without too many issues
hmmm....maybe you are right man! all these brands still works nicely and normal...i've never seen a roter S guitar front of me, so i was worried about the sound and others.....thank you man


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from what i've experienced, thinner bodies = better sound. sounds strange, considering what you're told about bigger and thicker bodies being better, but that's just not the case.

edit: short explanation: thinner bodies vibrate better, and so it gets much much more resonant and acoustically loud, which means more perceived sustain, and much better sound even through the pickups. i'm sure you already know what the importance of resonant guitars are, but the point is that thinner bodies = more resonance, because they are lighter and stuff.

also, the added lightness means they are... well, lighter!

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hmmm now i understand....thanks for the informations guys!

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However, some argue that lighter bodies, because they are more resonant, rob the string of it's vibrational energy faster, decreasing sustain and high end content.

I prefer lightweight and resonant myself over heavy in terms of feel, but this argument drove a lot of guitar design in the 70s.
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However, some argue that lighter bodies, because they are more resonant, rob the string of it's vibrational energy faster, decreasing sustain and high end content.

I prefer lightweight and resonant myself over heavy in terms of feel, but this argument drove a lot of guitar design in the 70s.
if it decreases high end, then explain Les Pauls. they are thick and huge and heavy for the sake of the warm sound, and it works. then look at Fender guitars (i hate always using these two companies, but they are the two extreme opposite standard companies, ya know?). Fenders are light (at least they should be), and they are sleeker. not all that thin altogether, but much lighter. they are really resonant, and their most notable characteristic: bright!

also, the idea of sustain is kinda misleading. while you could say a string vibrates for longer if the guitar is such and such, it depends on what the string sounds like while it's sustaining. perceived sustain and actual technical sustain won't do the same job. the more musical and useful one is obviously perceived sustain.

so it won't rob the string of sustain or high end. it might not sustain as long as if you had a humongous chunk of wood with a neck attached to it, but then it wouldn't sound good, and you wouldn't have the most useful sustain in the world.

i think most people will agree that a lightweight and resonant guitar will own ass no matter what, as it sounds louder through the pickups as well, and has much more character and tonal content, making it sing.

i'm not trying to put you down, i'm just so excited about this

but yeah, just check out ......... and blackmachine: really really light guitars, extremely resonant, extremely loud, both with enormous sustain, even unplugged, as ......... has demonstrated in his videos, just playing an open note and letting it sustain for AGES, with a very constant sustain that keeps going in the same volume for a long time before it starts decreasing.

people keep talking about sustain and stuff as if they are rules set in stone. it ain't. people usually attribute these things to totally opposite things. different woods, different constructions, different measurements, etc, and then you notice these attributes can often be opposites, even though the result is "more sustain" either way.

so let's all chillax, knowing Doug from blackmachine and ......... both know what they're doing, and the guys at Roter are known for their awesome stuff, and so we're almost guaranteed that the quality will be great. people don't make thin bodies just for weight or just for tonal characteristics, and especially not just for looks. they think about sustain, and they think about tone.

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Like I said, I don't necessarily buy the argument, but it's out there. Also, with regards to Fenders vs. Gibsons; a number of factors (body wood, scale length, bridge type, neck attachment method, humbuckers vs. single-coils) account for the difference in sound.

Generally though, I have played a bunch of SGs and then played a bunch of Les Pauls and found the SGs to be brighter and raunchier with less sustain than the smoother, darker Les Paul.

Regardless, this is not the thread for this discussion
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true on all points, sir

i've noticed the same things, i just used the fender/gibson argument as a placeholder thing

but yeah, look at the thinner SG compared to the fat LP. brighter and stuff. i don't agree that much with the sustain issue though, as i've had the same result the other way around, with LP's having less and SG's having more. it's more about the quality of the construction than anything. and in that area we're safe

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That 21 fret... scare me

Look at the width of the 21 at first string and compare it with the width of the 20 and 19. It's me or the 21 seems to be bigger

I think that fretwork is not as good as should be... Anyway, really NICE guitar. That body is just amazing, sir
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That 21 fret... scare me

Look at the width of the 21 at first string and compare it with the width of the 20 and 19. It's me or the 21 seems to be bigger

I think that fretwork is not as good as should be... Anyway, really NICE guitar. That body is just amazing, sir
Good eye! That does look fairly off. Might want to doublecheck those fret slots, Sebastian.
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Good eye! That does look fairly off. Might want to doublecheck those fret slots, Sebastian.
considering the delays in getting this thing shipped, and the lack of information concerning the build from roters side I think people are going to be going over their guitars with a fine toothed comb and finding every flaw
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considering the delays in getting this thing shipped, and the lack of information concerning the build from roters side I think people are going to be going over their guitars with a fine toothed comb and finding every flaw
People do that anyways. However, misaligned frets are unacceptable, regardless of the amount of money paid. That definitely looks wrong.
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People do that anyways. However, misaligned frets are unacceptable, regardless of the amount of money paid. That definitely looks wrong.
True, it's a big problem.
But I know for a fact some people that have these on order are getting a little annoyed at the lack of information regarding their guitars.
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Can anybody say optical illusion? You've got fan frets going in different directions and pictures taken from an angle on top of that. That's just asking for visual tricks being played on you.
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Can anybody say optical illusion? You've got fan frets going in different directions and pictures taken from an angle on top of that. That's just asking for visual tricks being played on you.
the fans are going in different directions? not on the 20th and 22nd fret.
But I do agree that we should wait and see until someone has the final guitar in their hands before anybody goes shooting off their mouth about wonky frets and whatnot
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the fans are going in different directions? not on the 20th and 22nd fret.
But I do agree that we should wait and see until someone has the final guitar in their hands before anybody goes shooting off their mouth about wonky frets and whatnot
I just mean it's very difficult to make the same judgment you could if all the frets were straight and you had a bird's eye view over the top. No disrespect to anybody's opinion or anything.

I see where there is some question, but I really think it could easily be an optical issue.

Probably the ideal way to diagnose an issue like that is having a Peterson tuner (or tuner in general) to judge the intonation instead of using a photo of any sort. I imagine that isn't really an option right now though.
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There is a birds-eye view here. Look at the upper frets and tell me there's not a spacing issue. And as I now own a fanned instrument, you'd be able to tell an issue of that size visually from pretty much any angle other than straight on the side.

I'm willing to give Sebastian the benefit of the doubt, but if a guitar ships like that that is unacceptable.
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Let's just stop any sort of speculation until someone actually has a guitar in their hands, it's only fair.
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Let's just stop any sort of speculation until someone actually has a guitar in their hands, it's only fair.
Alright. Just, any fretwork alignment issues large enough to be seen without measurements on a relatively small picture is not speculation, and has no business on a $100 guitar, let alone one that the customer paid $1100 for.

I'm hoping that it's a mistake and that it won't make it through final QC, but if I were a luthier I wouldn't even want that stuff to show up in pictures of my work.
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It could still be an optical trick due to the position, the frets not being finished, the image compression or whatever. And due to that alone, I think all speculation is just wrong and unfair
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