Oakland Axe Factory Autumn 2012 - Page 24

theo · 07-05-2012, 07:16 PM

oh my... hrmmmm BKP or lace :/

thatguy87 · 07-05-2012, 10:00 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tom Drinkwater

Joe, you are the man! Angled BKP's on the 7 will certainly be a popular option.

So not on 8s then?

Cremated · 07-06-2012, 04:01 AM

You should've inquired about the 8 strings too. Damnit! Need those. Please see if they can do a set of 8's too.

Tom Drinkwater · 07-06-2012, 07:35 AM

Offering two different pickup routs for this run will incure additional charges above the difference of the pickups price. I'll most likely end up needing to rout that in at my shop and having the CNC omit the pickup routs will necessitate a change in programming which I'm sure will also cost us. We'll see what the programmer/operator says. We'd be looking at a minimum of $50 additional labor per guitar plus the pickups themselves.

Also keep in mind that the BKP option is for Blackhawk blade pickups only.

Thrashmanzac · 07-06-2012, 07:40 AM

why not just get some funky emg 707 style covers for the customers that want bkps?

celticelk · 07-06-2012, 08:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thrashmanzac

why not just get some funky emg 707 style covers for the customers that want bkps?

The shapes aren't right. A slanted humbucker has a parallelogram shape: the long sides are angled but the short sides are parallel to the strings. The EMG-type covers you can buy are rectangles.

Thrashmanzac · 07-06-2012, 08:41 AM

my mistake, i was unaware you could order slanted bareknuckle pickups.

ForThisGift · 07-06-2012, 10:24 AM

Just for anyone else thinking about it for a 7 string, the Lace > BKP Black Hawk is about $70 difference for the stock pickups. I don't know what the custom order process looks like financially in terms of them doing a run of slanted-spec Black Hawks.

ACG · 07-06-2012, 11:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cremated

You should've inquired about the 8 strings too. Damnit! Need those. Please see if they can do a set of 8's too.

I emailed BKP this morning about the availability of an 8 string version. I'll update you guys when they get back to me.

- Joe

AxeHappy · 07-06-2012, 01:41 PM

I'd be all over the Black Hawks if they were 8 string. Still unsure about which Lace I would go for if the BHs are not an option.

Cremated · 07-06-2012, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ACG

I emailed BKP this morning about the availability of an 8 string version. I'll update you guys when they get back to me.

- Joe

Thank you, sir! You're very much appreciated.

Fiction · 07-06-2012, 11:43 PM

Tom, sorry to bombard you with so many questions.

But I was wondering if you stained necks (Mahogany)? It would be a darker browny colour and have it stained the same colour as the body wood (Swamp Ash)

And the second question was whether, I could have the back stained but keep the top just a natural oiled or a second staining (A more subtle blonde colouring if you can work something out with using whites).

Thanks

Cremated · 07-07-2012, 12:45 AM

Edit. Nevermind.

Fiction · 07-07-2012, 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cremated

You can't stain a wood and make it a lighter color, as far as I know. So you couldn't stain the mahogany to match the natural ash, but you could stain the ash to match the natural mahogany. You'd have to use paint to make wood that much of a lighter color.

Edit... Nevermind, I think I misunderstood. My apologies. I don't know if you're saying stain the mahogany lighter to match the ash, or stain both darker to match. If it's the first one, I'm pretty sure that won't work, but I could be wrong.

Yeah I meant stain both darker, but stain them with the same colour.

JaeSwift · 07-07-2012, 04:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fiction

Tom, sorry to bombard you with so many questions.

But I was wondering if you stained necks (Mahogany)? It would be a darker browny colour and have it stained the same colour as the body wood (Swamp Ash)

And the second question was whether, I could have the back stained but keep the top just a natural oiled or a second staining (A more subtle blonde colouring if you can work something out with using whites).

Thanks

Staining necks will depend a bit on which neck finish is decided in the end, keep in mind that if you oil mahogany it already turns significantly darker. As for your second question that should not be a problem at all, in the last run Tom did some different stains on the back compared to the top so don't worry about that.

Tom Drinkwater · 07-07-2012, 12:17 PM

There is pretty much no chance of perfectly matching ash to mahogany with a transparent stain but I could surely stain both the body and neck to a darker shade.

Tom Drinkwater · 07-07-2012, 12:22 PM

Staining or dying the back or front and leaving the rest natural isn't a problem either. I'm hand applying the dye with a rag directly onto bare wood so there will not be a perfect clean seperation between colored and natural wood though. You'll end up with a soft edge like on the Black Friday guitars. Without spraying the color as a tinted lacquer or using a binding it's nearly impossible to get a hard edge between colors.

Cremated · 07-07-2012, 10:30 PM

Any word on the 8 string BKP's yet?

ACG · 07-08-2012, 12:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Cremated

Any word on the 8 string BKP's yet?

They haven't responded to my email yet. I will definitely update you guys when they do.

Stealthdjentstic · 07-08-2012, 12:38 AM

I think this is the first time I've seen one awesome luthier order a guitar from another awesome luthier

Cool!

Fiction · 07-08-2012, 12:38 AM

That's perfect by me, Tom.

@Stealth, Interluthier relationship.

Cremated · 07-08-2012, 01:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

I think this is the first time I've seen one awesome luthier order a guitar from another awesome luthier

Cool!

I thought the same thing but I was too scared to say anything. I live in fear. I really hope everything works out with the BKP's though. Such a great idea.

ACG · 07-09-2012, 11:54 AM

BKP does not offer 8 string blackhawks right now, but they can do ANY of their other models in slanted.

ForThisGift · 07-09-2012, 12:25 PM

I like the idea of the blackhawk, but I am not sure if opening this up to all models from BKP is going to work. I would imagine the CNC template is setup for active routes to accommodate the Lace pickups. We will probably need either Tom or Jae to weigh in on this to see if the run will move in this direction.

I am just waiting for Q-Tuner to go back into production anyway....So the active routes are fine with me.

thatguy87 · 07-09-2012, 03:11 PM

Anyone know what kind of BKPs you would get? I kind of want something that's pretty even across the board.

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07-05-2012, 07:16 PM	#576
theo Ibanez whore Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, Au Posts: 3,119 Thanked: 37 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	oh my... hrmmmm BKP or lace :/ JP Universe likes this. http://soundcloud.com/ecliptica_aus

07-06-2012, 07:35 AM	#579
Tom Drinkwater ERG/ERB Builder Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oakland Maine Posts: 774 Thanked: 22 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Offering two different pickup routs for this run will incure additional charges above the difference of the pickups price. I'll most likely end up needing to rout that in at my shop and having the CNC omit the pickup routs will necessitate a change in programming which I'm sure will also cost us. We'll see what the programmer/operator says. We'd be looking at a minimum of $50 additional labor per guitar plus the pickups themselves. Also keep in mind that the BKP option is for Blackhawk blade pickups only. Oakland Axe Factory uses Octave4Plus custom strings, Dimarzio and Lace pickups, Hipshot Hardware and Graphtech saddles.

07-06-2012, 07:40 AM	#580
Thrashmanzac plays in 69/42 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Melbourne, VIC Posts: 3,769 Thanked: 53 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	why not just get some funky emg 707 style covers for the customers that want bkps? ...Each guitarist has an evil fat 40 year old blueswankler trying to get out, If you give in to temptation you'll be sitting next to a fender playing john lee hooker while trying to keep your combover in place. -Desecrated being black and enjoying watermelon, i think this thread needs more watermelon. budda

07-06-2012, 08:41 AM	#582
Thrashmanzac plays in 69/42 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Melbourne, VIC Posts: 3,769 Thanked: 53 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	my mistake, i was unaware you could order slanted bareknuckle pickups. ...Each guitarist has an evil fat 40 year old blueswankler trying to get out, If you give in to temptation you'll be sitting next to a fender playing john lee hooker while trying to keep your combover in place. -Desecrated being black and enjoying watermelon, i think this thread needs more watermelon. budda

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07-06-2012, 04:01 AM	#578
Cremated SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 543 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	You should've inquired about the 8 strings too. Damnit! Need those. Please see if they can do a set of 8's too.

07-06-2012, 10:24 AM	#583
ForThisGift SS.org Regular Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 323 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	Just for anyone else thinking about it for a 7 string, the Lace > BKP Black Hawk is about $70 difference for the stock pickups. I don't know what the custom order process looks like financially in terms of them doing a run of slanted-spec Black Hawks.

07-06-2012, 01:41 PM	#585
AxeHappy SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2010 Location: London, Ontario Posts: 1,827 Thanked: 6 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	I'd be all over the Black Hawks if they were 8 string. Still unsure about which Lace I would go for if the BHs are not an option. thatguy87 likes this.

07-06-2012, 11:43 PM	#587
Fiction For Mod Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 2,985 Thanked: 23 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Tom, sorry to bombard you with so many questions. But I was wondering if you stained necks (Mahogany)? It would be a darker browny colour and have it stained the same colour as the body wood (Swamp Ash) And the second question was whether, I could have the back stained but keep the top just a natural oiled or a second staining (A more subtle blonde colouring if you can work something out with using whites). Thanks [Fiction] 1:47 pm: she could probably toss a salad with that thing

07-07-2012, 12:45 AM	#588
Cremated SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 543 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Edit. Nevermind.

07-07-2012, 12:17 PM	#591
Tom Drinkwater ERG/ERB Builder Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oakland Maine Posts: 774 Thanked: 22 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	There is pretty much no chance of perfectly matching ash to mahogany with a transparent stain but I could surely stain both the body and neck to a darker shade. Fiction likes this. Oakland Axe Factory uses Octave4Plus custom strings, Dimarzio and Lace pickups, Hipshot Hardware and Graphtech saddles.

07-07-2012, 12:22 PM	#592
Tom Drinkwater ERG/ERB Builder Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Oakland Maine Posts: 774 Thanked: 22 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Staining or dying the back or front and leaving the rest natural isn't a problem either. I'm hand applying the dye with a rag directly onto bare wood so there will not be a perfect clean seperation between colored and natural wood though. You'll end up with a soft edge like on the Black Friday guitars. Without spraying the color as a tinted lacquer or using a binding it's nearly impossible to get a hard edge between colors. Aurochs34, AxeHappy and Fiction like this. Oakland Axe Factory uses Octave4Plus custom strings, Dimarzio and Lace pickups, Hipshot Hardware and Graphtech saddles.

07-07-2012, 10:30 PM	#593
Cremated SS.org Regular Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Louisville, Ky Posts: 543 Thanked: 0 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	Any word on the 8 string BKP's yet?

07-08-2012, 12:38 AM	#595
Stealthdjentstic Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canadia Posts: 19,978 Thanked: 338 Feedback Score: 10 reviews	I think this is the first time I've seen one awesome luthier order a guitar from another awesome luthier Cool! theo, Tom Drinkwater and ACG like this.

07-08-2012, 12:38 AM	#596
Fiction For Mod Join Date: Mar 2011 Location: Newcastle, Australia Posts: 2,985 Thanked: 23 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	That's perfect by me, Tom. @Stealth, Interluthier relationship. [Fiction] 1:47 pm: she could probably toss a salad with that thing

07-09-2012, 11:54 AM	#598
ACG AcaciaCustomGuitars Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: San Diego, CA Posts: 226 Thanked: 4 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	BKP does not offer 8 string blackhawks right now, but they can do ANY of their other models in slanted. Khoi, thatguy87 and Fiction like this.

07-09-2012, 12:25 PM	#599
ForThisGift SS.org Regular Join Date: Jun 2011 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 323 Thanked: 3 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	I like the idea of the blackhawk, but I am not sure if opening this up to all models from BKP is going to work. I would imagine the CNC template is setup for active routes to accommodate the Lace pickups. We will probably need either Tom or Jae to weigh in on this to see if the run will move in this direction. I am just waiting for Q-Tuner to go back into production anyway....So the active routes are fine with me. revclay, AxeHappy and celticelk like this.

07-09-2012, 03:11 PM	#600
thatguy87 DjentyGoodness Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: UK (US Military Address) Posts: 692 Thanked: 11 Feedback Score: 4 reviews	Anyone know what kind of BKPs you would get? I kind of want something that's pretty even across the board.

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