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Unread 03-26-2011, 10:16 AM   #1
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Cool S8 Build, Eight String Saber

Helloww everyone here at SS!
I’m starting an eight string build soon, which I have been designing since September of 2010. I’ve put over 40 hours into drawing this ERG and hope to finish around July (or before summer break ends and I begin the 10th grade).

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• Mahogany, Ibanez S Series body shape and contours
• Bolt on Maple, Cherry, Bamboo neck (undecided)
• Maple Fret board w/24 SS jumbos
• 28” Scale, 10.7mm bridge string spacing.
• White finish with matching headstock
• Bareknuckle pickups. Djent!
• Sperzel tuners
• Individual bridge saddle I designed and am getting machined
• Strap locks
• Tuned F#,B,E,A,D,G,B,E
• Volume, Tone and Pickup selector

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I may do a maple, cherry, bamboo laminate neck of some sorts, I’m not quite sure.


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Unread 03-26-2011, 10:21 AM   #2
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You have mi up thumbs on this project, I always wanted to see an 8 strings Saber!

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Unread 03-26-2011, 11:32 AM   #3
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I believe it is this kind of switches you're looking for? Looking forward to see this finished! (starter pics are always fun to watch too *hint*)
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Unread 03-26-2011, 02:55 PM   #4
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Oh man, this should be interesting.
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FINALLY! I've wanted to see a S8 forever. Good luck.

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Unread 03-26-2011, 05:15 PM   #6
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I cant imagine having the will to do this project in 9nth grade, now in 11th, I still dont haha. Best of luck to you on this project. I recomend you email Tim at BKP to tell you what pick up would be good for you for the neck position. I cant wait to see this finished.
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nice modeling! i am looking forward to see this happening! totally delicious build.
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Unread 03-26-2011, 07:11 PM   #8
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Wow! I want to keep track of this I approve of your design . It looks wonderful!

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excellent specs there. get into it now!
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Should be really interesting, though the saber body might look a bit odd with an 8 string neck. We'll just have to see.
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I believe it is this kind of switches you're looking for? Looking forward to see this finished! (starter pics are always fun to watch too *hint*)
Yes, thanks, I don’t know much about guitar electronics so I'll look around learn some more on how to wire this type of switch properly.

Any way,

I’m trying something a little different here. Instead of traditional flat electronics covers, I’m going to make one following the contours of the body.


Also, I haven’t drawn in any of the cutaways or necks heal contours, and the body contours are not perfect.


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Looks good, im real interested to see how the curved cavity cover comes out. Good luck, lotsa pics!
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I'm thinking that the headstock should be made smaller - as small as possible actually.

And go for non-locking tuners to further lighten the headstock side - either sperzel's open back or the hipshot ones. I don't know which is lighter though.
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It looks great, dude! It's worth suggesting one thing, though, namely extending the upper horn a bit due to balance concerns - the neck is wider and longer than on our usual 7-string Sabres, and there's a bit of extra mass to consider, headstock included. Personally, a slightly elongated horn (ending on the 12th fret mark, for instance), would be my approach to ensure she doesn't neckdive like crazy.

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Does the RG2228 have neck diving problems? My current design is similarly proportioned to the RG.

I will re-proportion the horn forward though and the neck back about .25”

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And go for non-locking tuners to further lighten the headstock side - either sperzel's open back or the hipshot ones. I don't know which is lighter though.
I want locking, I’m thinking about trying the Sperzel open locking tuners.


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Does the RG2228 have neck diving problems?
Yes. The RG2228 isn't what I'd call an ideally balanced instrument, though the super heavy bridge and full thickness body do help a lot. It's not awfully out of balance, but strap style and position are key.

Your Saber will likely have a heavier headstock, heavier neck, and a slightly lighter body. Those factors are a recipe for neck dive.

All I'm saying is that you should be mindful of the balance. Even the most beautiful, finely crafted guitar will suck to play if you have to fight to keep it in your hands.

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I like that you're doing your own twist on the Saber, especially in leaving the upper horn thick like an RG. Can't wait to see how this build turns out.

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Yes. The RG2228 isn't what I'd call an ideally balanced instrument, though the super heavy bridge and full thickness body do help a lot. It's not awfully out of balance, but strap style and position are key.

Your Saber will likely have a heavier headstock, heavier neck, and a slightly lighter body. Those factors are a recipe for neck dive.

All I'm saying is that you should be mindful of the balance. Even the most beautiful, finely crafted guitar will suck to play if you have to fight to keep it in your hands.
I’ll defiantly keep those factors in mind. Thanks.
I moved the horn further and the neck back about a total of .75” I’m not quite sure where the ideal center of mass should be though (Pink origin).


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I assume it should be about midway between the strap buttons.
In your plans, the top horn is pretty thick looking. I would suggest making that a little thinner. It causes the center of gravity to move towards the headstock too.
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I think this is one of the best ideas ever. If this guitar balances out I'm sure it will play and sound amazing. I have my S7320 in my hands and I can picture another string on it with no problem. Get to work so I have something good to read!

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I assume it should be about midway between the strap buttons.
In your plans, the top horn is pretty thick looking. I would suggest making that a little thinner. It causes the center of gravity to move towards the headstock too.
I planned to do that, it was a little too difficult to preform that contouring and I'm Lazy.

I’m still searching for solutions to help with preventing neck dive, possibly a titanium truss rod, or carbon fiber inserts, but I made small miscalculation with my drawing (solid brass tuners=heavy) , so I changed them to solid aluminum, though I’m not sure how much Sperzel open locking tuners weigh and sent them an Email. So ASSUMING those tuners don’t weigh more than solid aluminum, my Center of mass moves to:

which, from balancing several guitars on my hand, is ASSUMINGLY about where the center of mass needs to be to prevent neck dive.

Also, I went through my collection of wood looking for some maple.


Got wood? I got plenty.
Most of it have been in my garage for 40 years and its mostly mahogany, like that 14”x74” piece, but I have 6 beams of unknown species that might be suitable for several other necks (hint, hint future projects ) If I can find out what they are made of.


These pieces are of cherry, pine and maple, all about seven to eight feet long
After the great endeavor, I came out with these:


I think they are made of maple. I will start making the neck tomorrow.


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This excites me... I would love to have an 8 string S!

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