[Wolfv11]

N4G.com : E3: Final Fantasy XIII coming to the Xbox 360
Yet another nail in the ps3's coffin. Final Fantasy 13 has jumped exclusivity from the PS3. From what it seems however the two spinoffs of FF13 shall stay exclusive to the ps3 (Versus, and that other one)
Even still, this means Final Fantasy XIII is now playable to us 360 owners.
Which means its time to party

[Uber Mega]

Cool news for 360 owners, but pretty lame in general now they have to develop it for a storage medium that is far inferior to the PS3's Blueray, which might not matter for other cross platform games like BF:BC, Burnout, Grid etc. but for FF which many hoped had the potential of being absolutely huge (like we've come to expect from FF), with a serious amount of cut-scenes, other dialouge and whatnot - anything to make use of the disc capacity - well, now they have to fit it all onto a DVD or two...great.

And "nail in PS3s coffin?"... I doubt it man, the PS3 is looking stronger than it ever has at the moment.

360s line-up just got much better though, should strengthen their year quite a bit, FF is a big title.

[Zak1233]

OMFG!! im gna have a heart attack seriously this had made my fuckin year lool

[Uber Mega]

Originally Posted by Zak1233

OMFG!! im gna have a heart attack seriously this had made my fuckin year lool

I think that's been the response of 360 owners in general

[Zak1233]

Originally Posted by Uber Mega

I think that's been the response of 360 owners in general

yeh now i dont need to get a £350-ish for a game
well it means i can hold off from getting one for a while lol

[DDDorian]

Originally Posted by Uber Mega

Cool news for 360 owners, but pretty lame in general now they have to develop it for a storage medium that is far inferior to the PS3's Blueray, which might not matter for other cross platform games like BF:BC, Burnout, Grid etc. but for FF which many hoped had the potential of being absolutely huge (like we've come to expect from FF), with a serious amount of cut-scenes, other dialouge and whatnot - anything to make use of the disc capacity - well, now they have to fit it all onto a DVD or two...great.

And "nail in PS3s coffin?"... I doubt it man, the PS3 is looking stronger than it ever has at the moment.

360s line-up just got much better though, should strengthen their year quite a bit, FF is a big title.

You won't have to worry:

What’s the development process for the game?
Hashimoto: “As we announced at the Microsoft presentation, as of today we are ready to start developing the title for Xbox 360. First, we will complete the PS3 in Japan. Then after that we will start localization of ‘FFXIII’ for PS3 for US and Europe. Then at the same time, we will start Xbox 360 the version development. That’s our entire process of development.

So it'll either be scaled down or spread across multiple discs for the 360 release.

While I don't care about FF13, I do think it's funny that so many of the assertions made about this generation of consoles have turned out to be so wrong. The PS3 was supposed to be the hardcore RPG console and the Wii was supposed to fail horribly. Microsoft are still pissing people off though, so all is as it should be

[Drage]

That was devastating, and very, very low from Screw-Enix. Though I saw this happening with the other titles from SE that were in development for the 360.

Though I don't understand the port in the first place (Aside from sales), I have a big feeling its going to be quite watered down to what it could really be.

[goth_fiend]

I will almost guarantee you the game will be EXACTLY the same, minus uncompressed audio, the ps3 and xbox 360 are almost identical in terms of power, with the ps3 on slightly better in terms of cpu *also makes the ps3 stupidly difficult to code for thank you cell processor*

I love both systems but sony just lost a MASSIVE exclusive, should be interesting to see what they pull out at e3, I think there conference is on weds.

[DDDorian]

"Devastating"? Didn't your parents ever teach you the value of sharing? The 360 version is US-exclusive, from what I've read, so it's not like Japan or Europe (ie the regions with a decent PS3 install base) will have much choice in the matter.

[TomAwesome]

My drummer was talking about this earlier today. This news confused me. The last I had heard, I thought they were making a huge deal about how they were going to do this on the PS3 because the superior hardware would allow them to do things with the game they wouldn't be able to do on the Wii or 360. I wonder if Microsoft bought them out for exclusivity like they do with every other big name they're able to. The only thing I really have against the 360 is Microsoft's business practices in this respect. If you want to get ahead in the console race, do it by making what you have to offer better instead of throwing money at 3rd party developers to screw over the competitors.

[Drage]

[quote=DDDorian;1129841]"Devastating"? Didn't your parents ever teach you the value of sharing? quote]

Yeah, you're right, its just this is one of the reasons why I bought the PS3, plus SE said numerous times through last 3 years or so it would be PS3 exclusive, kinda makes me regret buying one...

[DDDorian]

Actually, that's a fair point, there are a lot of people who bought one of these expecting certain games or even a certain selection of games that now own a copy of Metal Gear Solid 4 and an expensive Bluray player

[Drage]

Well theres exclusives still coming to the console, But I still think Sony needs to pull a good trick up there sleeves to make up for this one, since I've seen alot of people have said this was the reason for them to get the PS3.

[Wolfv11]

The 360 version shall release only in Europe and America. Its only going to be available in English, so no Japanese Version.

I find this whole "low-blow" "betrayal" thing hilarious. I dont see or understand this whole betrayal thing, what I do see is a bunch of people being reminded that they shouldn't of bought a PS3 in the first place.
While I was roaring with excitement over this yesterday, I still saw this coming, with all of the other square games that the 360 was getting, I saw this coming. And if you want to talk about "betrayals" and "low blows" howbout how Square did the same thing to Nintendo, when they left for Sony?

As far as this whole "watered down" concept, its stupid and childish and is simply sony pony's trying to rationalize this and make it seem better.
The PS3 has better raw processing power, the 360 on the other hand can actually crank out prettier looking graphics due to its GPU.

The whole "Cell Chip" was a silly gimmick and marketing tool, they said that Devil May Cry 4 had to be a PS3 exclusive because the effects of Nero's devil arm could only be produced on the PS3. And even Kojima said himself that MGS4 could run on the 360. The reason why he didnt want it on the 360 was due to the size of the game and that it needed bluray (which is only probably because they didnt really compress any of the audio) And I wouldnt be surprised if MGS4 is the next one to take the dive.

The biggest difference between the two shall be that the 360 version will require multiple discs. And I couldnt care less about that, I swapped discs on FFVII, FFVIII, and MGS1. Swapping discs is no big deal, dont forget that the PS3 will have to due mandatory installs as well, which take longer than hoppin off the couch and poppin in disc 2.
And the other difference, 360 achievements, even if I owned a ps3 I would still buy this now for the 360. It would still remain my main console, I have my gamertag, my gamerscore, and all my achievements, if I had both, why wouldnt I want to add this to my gamerscore and games list? Why would I want the ability to play this, and still be on live, and chat and send messages to my friends, instead of switching over to another console to play FFXIII? I think alot of the PS3/360 owners may follow a similar path for similar reasons.

[TomAwesome]

Originally Posted by Wolfv11

I find this whole "low-blow" "betrayal" thing hilarious. I dont see or understand this whole betrayal thing, what I do see is a bunch of people being reminded that they shouldn't of bought a PS3 in the first place.
While I was roaring with excitement over this yesterday, I still saw this coming, with all of the other square games that the 360 was getting, I saw this coming. And if you want to talk about "betrayals" and "low blows" howbout how Square did the same thing to Nintendo, when they left for Sony?

The point here is that SE has been telling people for a long time now that FF13 would be a Sony exclusive, and now they've gone back on that. They moved on to Sony because they could do a lot more with the PS1 than they could with the SNES, and it was my understanding that they were staying with Sony now for similar reasons. I can't speak for everyone else, and it's not like the 360 is incapable of playing a decent game, but personally, I just don't like the business involved in buying off exclusivity at the rate it seems to be going on nowadays. Not that I've spent time looking terribly far into it, but that seems to be the main way Microsoft is trying to stay ahead of Sony, and that's just lame.

Originally Posted by Wolfv11

As far as this whole "watered down" concept, its stupid and childish and is simply sony pony's trying to rationalize this and make it seem better.
The PS3 has better raw processing power, the 360 on the other hand can actually crank out prettier looking graphics due to its GPU.

Sony Pony? I don't think the graphics are actually better. I know people with 360s, and even a few with both consoles, and the PS3, in my experience and based on what I've heard from people who have both or at least have a lot of experience with both, has a better graphical presentation. Most of what I've seen on the 360 just looks a little better than an X-Box in hi-def. Well, maybe a little better than that, but that's really the impression it gives me.

[TemjinStrife]

Graphically, it doesn't matter. You won't notice a difference.

The next generation of consoles should smarten up and go with some real processors and GPUs, none of this eight-core floating-point bullshit that costs huge amounts of $$$ and takes three years to learn how to develop software for.

Simpler consoles = cheaper consoles (not necessarily any worse performance-wise) = better profit margin + easy development = cheaper games with better performance earlier in the console life cycle.

[sakeido]

Originally Posted by TomAwesome

The point here is that SE has been telling people for a long time now that FF13 would be a Sony exclusive, and now they've gone back on that. They moved on to Sony because they could do a lot more with the PS1 than they could with the SNES, and it was my understanding that they were staying with Sony now for similar reasons. I can't speak for everyone else, and it's not like the 360 is incapable of playing a decent game, but personally, I just don't like the business involved in buying off exclusivity at the rate it seems to be going on nowadays. Not that I've spent time looking terribly far into it, but that seems to be the main way Microsoft is trying to stay ahead of Sony, and that's just lame.



Sony Pony? I don't think the graphics are actually better. I know people with 360s, and even a few with both consoles, and the PS3, in my experience and based on what I've heard from people who have both or at least have a lot of experience with both, has a better graphical presentation. Most of what I've seen on the 360 just looks a little better than an X-Box in hi-def. Well, maybe a little better than that, but that's really the impression it gives me.

The worst part about this announcement is because, more than any other announcement so far this generation, it has ignited a perfect storm of irrational fanboy arguments.

Graphics: Both systems are exactly the same. Sony's CPU advantage counts for nothing because both platforms are GPU bound, and both GPUs are almost exactly the same. 360 games look like Xbox games in HD? What... the... fuck

Storage: DVD is actually a superior medium for gaming because you can't stream things off a Blu Ray disc fast enough to play resource intensive games in real time. Me and my brother played through MGS4 at the same time except he had a head start; we were always in different areas; so I always had a four minute install before I could actually start playing. Superior medium MY ASS that was fucking bullshit!

We are also talking about two gaming systems here, that are basically equivalent in the gaming experience they offer. Well, not really. The PS3 doesn't have any killer apps out for it and the 360 offers the same experience for quite a bit less money. The only way to differentiate one system from the other is with the games, and Sony's complete failure to hold onto any of their big exclusives is a pretty telling indication that developers have lost faith in their ability to move a lot of units on a PS3 console.

[HighGain510]

I don't get why the PS3 guys are getting all worked up about 360 getting the game too? It doesn't make your system any less valuable since you're still getting the game. If that game was the only reason you bought a PS3.... well, tough call, but other than that 360 getting to share the game shouldn't affect you at all.

[sakeido]

[Wolfv11]

That video was ridiculous, I truly hope that guy was just putting on an act. I didnt believe people like that actually existed. lol

I still dont get the betrayal situation. Its not like the pres. of SE came out yesterday and said they were going to make it only for the 360. If that were the case, then I could understand it. As far as I know, its still coming out for the playstation, people who bought the PS3 shouldnt feel cheated or betrayed. They bought a system that will still get FFXIII.

From the start of this generation, I felt that sony was just trying to ram tech shit down our throats, forcing bluray and developing this way too complicated for its own good "8 Core Cell Chip" (which I believe only uses 6 cores since two are reserved for running the OS)
It was one of the main reasons I got a 360, sony was just throwing around gimmicks and "magic technology" to get people to buy their system. Instead of simply offering good games (and a great online service). They did this with the PS2 as well, with the DVD player, and the "Emotion Engine" However that time it worked astonishingly well.

I believe in japan they created a 40 gig DVD, so DVD format is not so "inferior" to blu ray. At least in storage capacity, and like said before, blu ray drives read blu ray discs at a VERY slow rate. Much slower than DVD

[Naren]

Originally Posted by Wolfv11

I believe in japan they created a 40 gig DVD, so DVD format is not so "inferior" to blu ray. At least in storage capacity, and like said before, blu ray drives read blu ray discs at a VERY slow rate. Much slower than DVD

Actually HD-DVD is only 15 GB instead of 4.7 like on a regular DVD. And Toshiba stopped making HD-DVD and HD-DVD players, so that's out of the question. And no game system uses HD-DVDs yet. And none will, considering that they aren't made anymore.

Blu Ray can carry around 50GB, which is a lot more than HD-DVD. It is, in fact, 6 times as much as a dual layer DVD (12 times as much as a single layer DVD).

And, if you mean, they created a "regular" DVD that can carry 40GB, then you're wrong.

Yes, Blu Ray is slower than DVD. But HD-DVD and Blu Ray read at about the same speed. It has to do with the data being written much much smaller over the same area.

[Wolfv11]

Xbox 360 games are made on DVD9 discs. Which are as the name implies, roughly 9 gigs. However japan made a super 40 gig DVD not an HD-DVD, but a regular dvd that can hold 40 gigs.

EDIT- Its a 42 gig dvd
N4G.com : Japanese researchers develop a 42GB super DVD

[DDDorian]

Microsoft announced at E3 that you'll be able to copy games completely to the 360's hard-drive, so it's kind of a moot point anyway

[Alpo]

Originally Posted by HighGain510

I don't get why the PS3 guys are getting all worked up about 360 getting the game too? It doesn't make your system any less valuable since you're still getting the game. If that game was the only reason you bought a PS3.... well, tough call, but other than that 360 getting to share the game shouldn't affect you at all.

Exactly.

Oh no! The game will be ruined by it being available on another console, which I hate for some reason!

[TomAwesome]

The way people were talking about it, I was under the impression it was going to be a 360 exclusive. My bad. Yeah, if it's on both consoles, then I have no problem with this. Everybody wins!