[s7eve]

See I don't know what I would want to copy, paste but people use things in different ways. What is it that you wish to copy paste?

[s7eve]

Yeah I worked out what I would want to copy paste and just did a search, you can add copy paste functionality to the existing iphone, I did not look up what is involved but it is possible, also rumour had it that copy paste would be coming at WWDC so there is still a possibility that the 3G will have it.

[Uber Mega]

There's nothing at all on there that would make me want to upgrade my current iPhone

[TheMissing]

I'd still rather have an LG Voyager on the Verizon network (You know, the one where I can actually connect calls..). I'm so glad I got rid of cingular/ATT years ago. "ATT, the network with the fewest dropped calls because they never connect in the first place. You may get more bars in more places, but the bars don't mean anything"

I don't know why they didn't at least make the iPhone 3g capable when it first came out. Oh right, apple just wanted to sell the iPhone twice because they knew people would buy it again. They're used to buying new apple products every year or so, rather than upgrading current models.

I don't know, I just can't get excited about ANY apple product.

[DarkKnight369]

Originally Posted by TheMissing

I'd still rather have an LG Voyager on the Verizon network (You know, the one where I can actually connect calls..). I'm so glad I got rid of cingular/ATT years ago. "ATT, the network with the fewest dropped calls because they never connect in the first place. You may get more bars in more places, but the bars don't mean anything"

I don't know why they didn't at least make the iPhone 3g capable when it first came out. Oh right, apple just wanted to sell the iPhone twice because they knew people would buy it again. They're used to buying new apple products every year or so, rather than upgrading current models.

I don't know, I just can't get excited about ANY apple product.

Verizon is supposedly the best. We use them at work, although we still deal with AT&T. I work with the dude who used to negotiate our corporate contracts. To give you and idea, we are verizon's 5th largest corporate customer. AT&T is awesome on some areas, and not so great in others. Do it depends where you go I guess.

The reason why 3G was left out of the first one was simply battery life. Same with GPS. IT essentially took them this long to figure out how to balance it. I am shocked they did so well this time around. That is why I am more excited about the 3rd Gen iPhone. Imagine even better battery life with more features and storage capacity. The current iPhones can't be a phone and iPod replacement for me just yet.


There are still some frustrating things with the iPhone like no copy and paste and no MMS messaging. My insight to the messaging is that its just very different from the way other phones take pictures. You have to remember though, all that stuff is a software update away. That is the beauty of having a phone with limited buttons is that it can be updated to do whatever you want it to with the only limitations being the hardware. Less buttons is essentially more freedom. That is one thing I love about the iPhone. I have had it since December of last year and I already had 2 key updates adding features. Apple keeps doing it for free too.

That is part of the reason I don't feel the need to upgrade. I consider any new Apple product sexy, but the feature set isn't far off from what I have. I will get a free updated to the 2.0 software in July and be really close to what the new phone has to offer minus 3G and GPS. 3G is not everywhere, at all. I live in Illinois, and last time I checked, only 4 cities had it. Mine is not one them, so I will only benefit when I travel to Chicago, that is until we finally get 3G in 2009. I would love GPS, but I think the cell tower triangulation is an acceptable solution for me now. The step by step directions are usually enough, and I got lost once and was able to use the iPhone to get me out of a bind. ITs not like its true GPS anyway, you still will be dependent on some sort of internet connection to get the map info from Google. Its not like you can go out into the middle of no where and find you way.


People bitch and moan about the iPhone all the time, and whine how some phones are better. I think the iPhone is the best phone for me. I used plenty of other smart phones, and all of them seemed so clunky to me. The iPhone has always been a breeze and joy to use. My first gen phone is only going to get better with time too. How many other phones can you say that about?

[7 Dying Trees]

Originally Posted by s7eve

See I don't know what I would want to copy, paste but people use things in different ways. What is it that you wish to copy paste?

Numbers, blocks of text of internet pages, notes, etc etc, ie, you get directions on a web page, and then want to text it to someone so they can get to where you are for instance

Another thing I hope they remedy is the battery, batteries run out eventually, and stop charging properly or to full capacity, and the most annoying thing is a phone with a useless battery life. Having to send of your phone to have a battery replaced is really quite retarded, as I know my phone is effectively my way of communicating with people.

Hey, maybe in 2-4 generations apple will sort out all the bits that you really need, and then it will be very cool. However, bu that point, everyone else will have caught up in terms of UI design, which, to be honest, is the main thing the iPhone has going for it as seen by this "oh shit we underspecced it" release, and I bet in a years time another upgrade to include all the other little bits.

That and I don't expect to have to install 3rd party software to make simple things that should be there to begin with work.

It all seems to me that apple cocked up on the first release, overestimated how many it would be able to sell to people, and overestimated people's willingness to fork out a large wadge of cash on a phone, essentially, in a lot of places phones are free with contracts, and the more expensive ones you pay about 1-3 times your monthly linee rental and are still subsidised, and cheap, so the iPhone is kind of asking people to cough up 3-8 times the amount they'd have to for a phone with less features but a good user interface.

Generation 3-5 will be worth looking at, not the current crop untill they've ironed out the features and made it truly kick ass, which at the moment it isn't.

[Nouman6]

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

Can it copy and paste?

Can it send MMS messages?

Nothing was said about that, so I can't say.

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

Is the camera on it any good?

The camera is vastly underrated, it takes amazing pictures.

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

Can it take video?

no

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

Has it become less gay?

Apple iPhone, Palm Treo, Blackberry Bold, Nokia N85? People still name phones after model numbers?

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

Will iot still be tied to a network and cost more than an iPod?

Its a phone?

Originally Posted by 7 Dying Trees

To be honest, apart from the user interface, my nokia N95 does all that shit already, has a very good camera, does sat nav and has 8gb storage, plus i can use a phoen keypad to dial numbers (never underestimate how much of a bonus this is on a phone)

So, apple, if you'r going to make a good phone, go study everyone else that's been doing it for ages

lol. Your phone came out after the iphone correct? They were able to learn from apples 'mistakes', oh as well as follow in their footsteps. Keypad is a bonus? I can type just as fast as anyone with a pad on my iphone, it takes time you know, but so does a keypad. Also as for your phone, you phone can't do half what the iphone can. Did you forget the SDK? the phone just got open to an endless amount of possibilities including games, programs, and wayyyyyyyyyy more.

So maybe nokia should do a little more studying and some more copying.

[7 Dying Trees]

Originally Posted by DarkKnight369

People bitch and moan about the iPhone all the time, and whine how some phones are better. I think the iPhone is the best phone for me. I used plenty of other smart phones, and all of them seemed so clunky to me. The iPhone has always been a breeze and joy to use. My first gen phone is only going to get better with time too. How many other phones can you say that about?

I think the difference is countries, europeans to be honest have far more to complain about, for europeans, the iPhone 1st generation was pretty woefull... It's the same size as modern windows based/symbian based smartphones, doesn't do MMS and a whole host of other features that are standard over here, so it was kind of, nice interface, shame about the phone part...

Personally, I quit smartphones 6 months ago, just wanted a phone that phones people, and has a proper keypad that textmessages from a keypad so i can actually use it while walking instead of standing still...

[DarkKnight369]

To each his own though. I have just never picked up a smart phone I thought I could easily use other than the iPhone. Everything else seemed liked I was fighting the interface. My current annoyance with the iPhone, is MMS messaging, and only because people try and send me pictures at times. I honestly see that fixed down the line, but it should have been addressed earlier. In my eyes, its a small price to pay for everything else I get with the phone.

To your thing about battery life...I think the iPhone batteries are doing great. If properly maintained, you can go through 400 charge cycles before you battery capacity drops to 80%. I charge my iPhone every 2-3 days, at that rate, I will go at least 2 years before I reach that 400 cycle mark. By that time, a 3rd gen iPhone will be in my sights anyway. Battery technology is only getting better, and I was have been impressed with both iPhone models in those regard.

[7 Dying Trees]

Originally Posted by Nouman6

lol. Your phone came out after the iphone correct? They were able to learn from apples 'mistakes', oh as well as follow in their footsteps. Keypad is a bonus? I can type just as fast as anyone with a pad on my iphone, it takes time you know, but so does a keypad. Also as for your phone, you phone can't do half what the iphone can. Did you forget the SDK? the phone just got open to an endless amount of possibilities including games, programs, and wayyyyyyyyyy more.

So maybe nokia should do a little more studying and some more copying.

Umm, no, please get facts right, the N95 has been around longer than the iPhone, by about probably 2 years... It can run apps, and adding apps to a phone is nothing new and has been a feature on smartphones for years, way before the iPhone. It lacks the flashy touchscreen user interface, but i've had phones with touchscreens since 2003/4, so it's not much new, the only thing new is the user interface.

I mean, the N95 is showing it's age a little bit, but is still very very good. I can play music, video, pictures, etc etc, games (although I've always thought games on mobile phones are retardedly overrated) browse the internet, do video calling, 5MP camera, takes microSD (8Gb easily, and is removable and swappable), GPRS (so that new maps feature, well, not that new in the iPhone)

Seriously, apple has done a really good job on the user interface, but as far as making a phone that can compete on the european market where mobile phones and usage are years ahead of the US (seriously, trust me on this one) it really was an all presentation no substance effort on apple's part, hence this updated version that actually comes closer to having the features it should have had in first place.

I expect it to become a good phone, but not untill at least the 3rd/4th generation when apple finally get everything in that should have been in there, unfortunately, by that point most other phone companies will have caught up with them.

Apple missed a good chance of becoming rapidly massive in mobile phone market, but completely cocked it up through exclusivity deals, charging a fortunate for the handset and under speccing it. Had they taken a bit more time, fully loaded it (which for the price they were asking, well, you'd expect all the basic features at the very least), done their market research properly and been a tad less arrogant (yes, it's the everyone wantys an iPod so they'll want an iPhone syndrome, and I think they got it badly wrong, noone switches mobile contracts just for a phone, especially not if you then have to fork out cash on top of it)

A lot of people who bought the first generation, I am sure you enjoy it, and the second one will be better, but, for crying out loud, the only "new" innovation is the user interface, and even that is just software. And some people like an all in one device.

All devices are converging as it stands with personalised mobile computing the way forward, however, please don't preach about apple being the second coming of god, or defending said iPhone, as it is simply but an approach towards this convergence from a user interface perspective instead of from the technology one.

And no, none of this is new, it's been on the cards for a decade or so (I remember hearing about bluetooth in 97/98 while at university)

Anyway, there will always be apple fanboys, and apple haters, personally, as long as it's a good product, then it's all good, but from a standpoint engineering wisae and feature wise, I still think it is a flawed product that needs 1-3 generations to really sort itsself out (much like the iPod needed if you remember the early versions)