[Metal Ken]

Originally Posted by Korbain

well, you took it out of context, i was comparing it too the hype, i should have worded it better, my bad. It was more whole "halo is the greatest FPS ever made!!!" when clearly it wasn't. And i put half life like that, what i said, great game, but not ground breaking to make it best FPS ever. It had a great atmosphere, the graphics were pretty solid (though i still think doom 3 had the better graphics in the ID vs Valve graphics battle thing), and the plot was ok (nothing special by any means). Was it revolutionary? no! Duke Nukem 3d, that was something special, doom 2, that was something special. Deus Ex, maybe not a full out FPS, but that was a FPS with a mad twist in it, prob the best game i ever played!

Well, of course Doom 3 is gonna look better. Doom 3 came out, what 5-6? years later? If you were into games as you said you were, you'd realize what a big deal HL was. Duke3d was fun, but it was the same engine as every other 3d realms shooter. It was good, but HL was a far more serious game. And once again, Deus Ex came out way After HL.

[TheMissing]

Originally Posted by Naren

I guess for people who don't like the Half Life series, they might get irritated and be like, "OKAY! GET ON WITH IT!" but I think that people who are fans of the series found that last part with the transportation thing to be especially awesome.

It's not that I don't like the HL series, I just never played it for whatever reason. I always enjoyed the demo I got out of a PC Gamer magazine, and my machine at the time ran it flawlessly... I dunno, I just never played it.

But I didn't hate the last transportatio section per se, I found it quite interesting to get a tour of the place (Just as in quake 4 when you get Troggified!) but there were parts that were just bland. When you get a few seconds to see a view of the city, that was awesome, but when you could only see walls and inane objects... lame. If it was half as long I would have 100% enjoyed it.

I played the hell out of Quake 1 and 3 back then though, as well as a lot of doom. I guess I wasn't into the whole story line thing. I'm a big old school shooter fan. I got immense enjoyment out of quake 4, where others thought it was boring. Killing a shit ton of baddies is appealing to me. It hasn't been until recent years (namely Halo) that I got into FPS's with solid stories. (I've read all the books, I'm a huge halo fan)

Oh, and yeah... The most fun I had with the game was the section where you controlled the Antlions, that was uber badass!

[Naren]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Well, of course Doom 3 is gonna look better. Doom 3 came out, what 5-6? years later? If you were into games as you said you were, you'd realize what a big deal HL was. Duke3d was fun, but it was the same engine as every other 3d realms shooter. It was good, but HL was a far more serious game. And once again, Deus Ex came out way After HL.

And Half Life crushed Deus Ex. I think it's hilarious how Korbain thinks that Deus Ex was groundbreaking but Half Life wasn't. I assume he's either never played Half Life before or is just a huge unquestioning fanboy of Deus Ex. Ask anyone informed at any of the game magazines which was groundbreaking: Half Life or Deus Ex and I doubt anyone would answer "Deus Ex."

[Pauly]

Originally Posted by goth_fiend

all I have to say about episode 2 right now...fucking striders

Learn the map layout for that battle and where each strider comes from first. Then you just have to put your foot down to each location, run those Hunter fuckers over quickly (or use Grav. Gun + logs) then 90% of the time the striders don't pay attention to you so you can use the Magnesson Devices on them and BAM! Go on YouTube to see people doing it.

[TheMissing]

Originally Posted by Metal Ken

Well, of course Doom 3 is gonna look better. Doom 3 came out, what 5-6? years later?

I think he was comparing HL2 to Doom 3.

They were both good games. Graphics don't matter to me.
I mean, I began playing the original Half Life last night, and the graphics are fine to me. Well, except the HIDEOUS looking human models... Their faces just look like they've been smacked with a crowbar.

[sakeido]

Originally Posted by goth_fiend

all I have to say about episode 2 right now...fucking striders

It took me awhile to beat that fight but man oh man it was spectacular... best end boss battle I have played since fuckin Super Metroid, and hands down the best in a first person shooter. Plus there was some good "wow" moments in there, like when they blow up the sawmill.

[Chris]

Originally Posted by Naren

And Half Life crushed Deus Ex. I think it's hilarious how Korbain thinks that Deus Ex was groundbreaking but Half Life wasn't. I assume he's either never played Half Life before or is just a huge unquestioning fanboy of Deus Ex. Ask anyone informed at any of the game magazines which was groundbreaking: Half Life or Deus Ex and I doubt anyone would answer "Deus Ex."

Well, truth be told Deus Ex copped Thief's vibe, and imo Thief's stealth engine/gameplay was pretty much the most groundbreaking FPS moment to me. I still am yet to play a game that even comes close to it.

[Pauly]

Originally Posted by sakeido

It took me awhile to beat that fight but man oh man it was spectacular... best end boss battle I have played since fuckin Super Metroid, and hands down the best in a first person shooter. Plus there was some good "wow" moments in there, like when they blow up the sawmill.

It's cool, they use pre-rendered physics simulations rather than one in real-time so while it always looks exactly the same each time you play, it won't rape your processor doing calculations.

Also pro-tip here. Vid+commentary on how to get the 'Neighbourhood Watch' achievement on that final battle.

[Naren]

Originally Posted by sakeido

It took me awhile to beat that fight but man oh man it was spectacular... best end boss battle I have played since fuckin Super Metroid, and hands down the best in a first person shooter. Plus there was some good "wow" moments in there, like when they blow up the sawmill.

You let them blow up the sawmill? I didn't let them blow up any of the buildings. I felt like I failed if I did, so I just wasted most of the striders the moment I saw them on my screen.

So maybe I didn't get to see any of those "wow" moments.

Originally Posted by Chris

Well, truth be told Deus Ex copped Thief's vibe, and imo Thief's stealth engine/gameplay was pretty much the most groundbreaking FPS moment to me. I still am yet to play a game that even comes close to it.

Thief was a very groundbreaking FPS. I wouldn't say "the most," but it definitely was quite groundbreaking.

Deus Ex, while a rather fun game, was not groundbreaking in any way.

[Korbain]

Originally Posted by Naren

And Half Life crushed Deus Ex. I think it's hilarious how Korbain thinks that Deus Ex was groundbreaking but Half Life wasn't. I assume he's either never played Half Life before or is just a huge unquestioning fanboy of Deus Ex. Ask anyone informed at any of the game magazines which was groundbreaking: Half Life or Deus Ex and I doubt anyone would answer "Deus Ex."

Whats funny? i got a different oppinion on a game too you? I don't think i said deus ex was ground breaking (though it was in its own right, alot of people would agree with that), i said it was a FPS with a mad twist in it, and it was enjoyable for me. I could say i think its hilarious you think half life was ground breaking but deus ex wasn't, but its your oppinion, and i respect that. I came on here to post my oppinion, not be a little bitch and mock someone because they don't agree a games ground breaking while another one is, etc. Saying i haven't played half life or that i'm just a huge fanboy of deus ex was a rather childish thing to say, but its the internet, what can i expect. I have played half life, and deus ex, i'm not a fan boy, i like deus ex more. Anyways, deus ex and half life both won a shitload of achievements, so i'd like to see you go ask "anyone informed at any of the game magazines."

In the end i don't need an informed person from a game magazine to decide which game is good or not for me. I have a brain that decides for me

Originally Posted by TheMissing

I think he was comparing HL2 to Doom 3.

Indeed thats what i did mean, thank you i don't know why metal ken thought i'd compare doom 3's graphics too the original half lifes, oh well, no ones perfect.