Elder Scrolls V: Skyrim

[AxeHappy]

Originally Posted by The Reverend

Expecting perfection from software is a bit ridiculous while it's still humans writing it, Mr. Myghin. Go to the midnight release, it's not like every game ever hasn't gotten a patch at some point.

No...but expecting a game not to need serious errors fixed on release day seems pretty ....ing reasonable to me.

There was also a time when patches used to do stuff like...adjust game balance, add additional content and prepare for Expansion packs (which also seem to have died).

Now patches (and DLC) seem to be an excuse to release unfinished, buggy (and not buggy as in, "Oh that's quaint you can jump off the map if you work at it," but buggy as in, "Hunh the game CTD if I try to finish the 1st main quest...") games, with a huge lack of content for full price.

[Prydogga]

Originally Posted by Xaios

Oh Lord, absolutely agreed with this. I mean, I would go gay for either Patrick Stewart or Sean Bean, but they both sounded unbelievably bored in Oblivion. The rest of the voice acting was garbage as well. Plus, it didn't help that Bethesda had advertised a free-flowing world in which random NPCs would have conversations with each other in order to make it feel natural and lived in, only to have said conversations sound like a dialogue between two robots.

It was always the same old lady from an inn talking to a guard, no matter what the body model was. Same voices, all the time.

Very excited for Friday

[The Reverend]

It's not a game-breaker, I can tell you that much. It's probably a loophole in a quest line, or some kind of exploit someone found. I don't have an internet connection my PS3 can use, so I guess I'll find out the hard way if this bug just ruins the game in every way, making it a waste of time and money to play, or even think about. It's strange to me that someone can devalue an entire game because of a single error.

It'd be like dismissing Beethoven entirely because a recently discovered symphony of his had a movement that wasn't related to the others at all.

[Rock4ever]

What classes are you guys going to play?

I want to play as a real rogue, and will be disappointed if I have to rely on a damn bow. Would also be nice if there was a stealth mechanic too.

[SirMyghin]

Nope, TES never has stealth, you just have to hope you get lucky. As far as classes I am going to play the ever popular imba bitch class. (Skyrim has no class system, btw).


@Axe, those were the good old days, when patches did more than just fix the game.

[Grand Moff Tim]

I'll probably do my first playthrough as a battlemage of some sort, so I can get a handle on the combat and the magic before I try a playthrough as a balls-to-the-wall mage, which is my preferred class.

[SirMyghin]

Originally Posted by Grand Moff Tim

I'll probably do my first playthrough as a battlemage of some sort, so I can get a handle on the combat and the magic before I try a playthrough as a balls-to-the-wall mage, which is my preferred class.

Then you cna play a Warlock named Richard and dual wield fire an ice! (Don't lie, you have though the same thing at some point in time).

FWOOSH! (.... I am bored today )

[Grand Moff Tim]

If that was referencing something, I don't get it.

[Captain Shoggoth]

@SirMyghin: Looking For Group?

[ibanezRG1527]

got mine fully paid off. woo!

[heavy7-665]

Im going Arcane Archer.

[AxeHappy]

Originally Posted by The Reverend

It's not a game-breaker, I can tell you that much. It's probably a loophole in a quest line, or some kind of exploit someone found. I don't have an internet connection my PS3 can use, so I guess I'll find out the hard way if this bug just ruins the game in every way, making it a waste of time and money to play, or even think about. It's strange to me that someone can devalue an entire game because of a single error.

It'd be like dismissing Beethoven entirely because a recently discovered symphony of his had a movement that wasn't related to the others at all.

Uh...except that every Bethesda game ever made ever still has game-breaking bugs many years later? Let alone the un-patched/1st day patched game.

Like I said, I'll give it a chance because I love the idea of the Elder Scrolls series (I actually own both Morrowind and Oblivion which is rare with games nowadays. And I have the free copy of Daggerfall and Arena you can download from Beth) but they (including Fallout 3) just keep disappointing me. For many reasons. The Terrible polishing is just one factor.


Also:
Blizzard polishes the hell out of their games. No CTD bugs in them. No Game-Breaking errors. Just potentially balancing issues.

[Daiephir]

I'm ready for it, even if it has bugs, and a girl friend of mine is too, now my dilema is either buying it for the PS3 or my laptop (she's gonna buy it for Xbox if anyone wanted to know)

Also, Blizzard do have the polish award of the decade, but good lord, sometimes you wish they could still get them out a tad faster (I'm looking at you D3 and HotS! )

[SirMyghin]

Originally Posted by Daiephir

I'm ready for it, even if it has bugs, and a girl friend of mine is too, now my dilema is either buying it for the PS3 or my laptop (she's gonna buy it for Xbox if anyone wanted to know)

Also, Blizzard do have the polish award of the decade, but good lord, sometimes you wish they could still get them out a tad faster (I'm looking at you D3 and HotS! )

Blizzard releases the game when it is ready, and none sooner. They are also the last PC developer in existance, so don't try to get them to 'fix' anything. Pretty much every other company designs with consoles in mind, or just on console and ports to PC.

[Daiephir]

So true

[Rock4ever]

In the melee system do you just click the mouse for regular attacks and thats it or are there specials?

[Rock4ever]

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

Blizzard releases the game when it is ready, and none sooner.

I believed that until Diablo 2 came out.

[SirMyghin]

^^ I played Diablo 2 from release til when immunities started getting too stupid. I don't recall any significant problems aside from balancing (which I think they took too far).

Originally Posted by Rock4ever

In the melee system do you just click the mouse for regular attacks and thats it or are there specials?

There are some specials this time around but Elder Scrolls games, while they contain a lot of combat, are not hack and slash games parsay. The environment is generally what makes the game, not an engaging combat system.

[Rock4ever]

Originally Posted by SirMyghin

^^ I played Diablo 2 from release til when immunities started getting too stupid. I don't recall any significant problems aside from balancing (which I think they took too far).





There are some specials this time around but Elder Scrolls games, while they contain a lot of combat, are not hack and slash games parsay. The environment is generally what makes the game, not an engaging combat system.

My biggest gripe about diablo 2 was the inordinate amount of time I spent managing inventory prior to the LoD expansion. I remember Icewind Dale 2 came out about the same month, and I had a much more satisfying that despite the increased difficulty. I also thought the graphics in diablo 2 were lacking, but I understand Blizz's intent to make the game playable by a large audience.

I was worried about the combat for skyrim. I remembered trying a rogue in Morrowind and everything was kinda hack and slash. It was my 1st game I played in the TES series, and overall it was disappointing. Tried a caster class in Oblivion, and it was more satisfying but the amount of kiting one could do was ridiculous. Will be interesting to see how I go I guess.

[AxeHappy]

Originally Posted by Rock4ever

My biggest gripe about diablo 2 was the inordinate amount of time I spent managing inventory prior to the LoD expansion. I remember Icewind Dale 2 came out about the same month, and I had a much more satisfying that BECAUSE OF the increased difficulty. I also thought the graphics in diablo 2 were lacking, but I understand Blizz's intent to make the game playable by a large audience.

I was worried about the combat for skyrim. I remembered trying a rogue in Morrowind and everything was kinda hack and slash. It was my 1st game I played in the TES series, and overall it was disappointing. Tried a caster class in Oblivion, and it was more satisfying but the amount of kiting one could do was ridiculous. Will be interesting to see how I go I guess.

Fixed.

But combat always has and always will, "suck" in the Elder Scrolls series.

That said the combat has never bothered me. I'd like if they could get the stats more involved in it again, but I did like actually controlling block in Oblivion. Still think their should have been a block skill that controls how well I can do it but meh.

[SirMyghin]

Originally Posted by Rock4ever

My biggest gripe about diablo 2 was the inordinate amount of time I spent managing inventory prior to the LoD expansion. I remember Icewind Dale 2 came out about the same month, and I had a much more satisfying that despite the increased difficulty. I also thought the graphics in diablo 2 were lacking, but I understand Blizz's intent to make the game playable by a large audience.

I was worried about the combat for skyrim. I remembered trying a rogue in Morrowind and everything was kinda hack and slash. It was my 1st game I played in the TES series, and overall it was disappointing. Tried a caster class in Oblivion, and it was more satisfying but the amount of kiting one could do was ridiculous. Will be interesting to see how I go I guess.

You must of been a bad rogue, I go around sneak attacking the hell out of people. Using a Bound Bow helps too. Bound items = king of the world equipment.

That said if you want combat, you are barking up the wrong tree, no games have managed to capture what was done with the infinity engine in terms of involvement and difficulty. Even Dragon Age, which was supposed to be trying to capture that was not surprisingly too easy. To clarify my position, the IE games were the greatest computer RPGs ever made. Period. Planescape fronting it imo (the none combat option focus was nice).

[Grand Moff Tim]

Originally Posted by AxeHappy

Still think their should have been a block skill that controls how well I can do it but meh.

Uh... there was...

[The Reverend]

Haters gon' hate.

It would take a miracle to make at least my first six hours with this game not feel incredibly happy, lost, and in awe of what I'm looking at. I'm sure I can take a bug in stride, and see the forest for the trees. Too bad some people can't do that .

After the novelty wears off though, we'll see how the game holds up, or at least I will, because I don't trust any of you guys's judgment.

[SirMyghin]

Originally Posted by The Reverend

Haters gon' hate.

It would take a miracle to make at least my first six hours with this game not feel incredibly happy, lost, and in awe of what I'm looking at. I'm sure I can take a bug in stride, and see the forest for the trees. Too bad some people can't do that .

After the novelty wears off though, we'll see how the game holds up, or at least I will, because I don't trust any of you guys's judgment.

Shame on that last bit, because I am, you know, always right. .

I have high hopes for it as the setting looks a lot more interesting than Cyrodil was.

[Grand Moff Tim]

Since all the disc I'm getting will likely be is a Steam download disc, I imagine any game-day patches will be downloaded right along with it the first time I try to load it, so it'll be all the same to me.

On the other hand, that also means I'm going to have to wait like three ....ing hours to play it even after I have it in my damned hands. I guess I'll spend that time reading the book and gazing intently at the dragon statue... or something...