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Unread 05-21-2012, 02:44 AM   #1
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Exclamation Jim Root Telecaster vs Baritone Telecaster

Hi! I wanna buy a new guitar and I can't decide. I want to play in three tunings :
Drop B, Drop A#, Drop A. Please tell me what you think (:
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Unread 05-21-2012, 03:07 AM   #2
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For tunings that low, I'd personally go with the baritone
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it's obvious you play metal since you're using those tunings, so i would suggest the jim root tele for the emgs. added bonus it looks awesome.
the baritone tele would be great but i think you might find the neck and middle pickups are quite a hindrance under high gain, there isn't the same range of hum-cancelling replacement pups for lipstick tele pickups.
also, IMO you shouldn't be overly concerned about the scale length, i use those tunings on an sg (24.75") and it sounds tight (as ....) using extra heavy strings, which are actually really comfortable when you get used to them.
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Squier Jim Root or the Fender Jim Root?
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I only say this because it's the only baritone I have, but maybe look at Steinberger's Synapse models?

Baritone with EMG's and a piezo in it. Easily tunes down to B-to-b tuning, and I have tuned it to drop G before on thick strings.

One word of advice, try playing a baritone first to see if your fingers can accommodate the extra scale length. I have particularly stubby fingers and I can only do a 1st fret power chord with my index and pinky. Likewise, how strong are your fingers? Because while you may not need super thick strings on a standard length (probably be able to get away with 12-60 or 58, you may not find barre chords particularly comfortable (or even possible initially).
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Additional concerns IMO... what style of music do you play? The Fender Blacktop Baritone has a 9.5" radius. That radius is great for fretting bar chords and if you like your strings at a medium height. You will not be able to drop them to a low/stupid low action. Not sure what you play now, but this would be radically different from a Jackson/Ibanez/ESP shred guitar fretboard feel. I don't know too many modern day shredders outside of Satriani and Malmsteen that prefer that "round" of a board. Most want to play a flat piece of wood nowadays...

The Root Tele is a little flatter at 12". Still not like an Ibanez at 17", but you'll be able to drop the action a little bit more.

Outside of style, I prefered the Root Strat over the Tele because the Strat had my favorite which is a 12"-16" compound radius. The action was adjusted very low and it played and sounded fantastic. Probably the only "negative" is that if you are buying a Fender to get that Fender sound and feel then this is not the guitar for you. It is quite a deviation from their standard product line IMO.

With today's strings I don't see the "need" for baritone guitars IMO. Some people prefer the feel, but outside of that... I own a JEM with one of those skinny top / heavy bottom things going on and it's tuned to C. I have zero issues (and I normally use 9s). But I don't think that this should be the primary reason to buy a guitar IMO.

The other thing I would recommend... if money isnt an issue (they're around $1800), then try the G&L ASAT Deluxe... I played a few and they were some of the best guitars I have ever played.




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jim root tele man. great guitar i dont like emgs but u may and u could always swap em out. it play great plays great though.

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With today's strings I don't see the "need" for baritone guitars IMO. Some people prefer the feel, but outside of that... I own a JEM with one of those skinny top / heavy bottom things going on and it's tuned to C. I have zero issues (and I normally use 9s). But I don't think that this should be the primary reason to buy a guitar IMO.

Getting a baritone for tuning to C like you do would definitely be silly, however when you get down to A and Ab it makes a much bigger difference.

Beyond that, I second the G&L recommendation as everyone I've played has been spectacular, even the import ones.
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what are the advantages of the jim root tele over the baritone one?
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I know a guy who had two fender jim roots. They we're extremely poorly built and caused him alot of trouble. BUT they do look awesome.

Based on this, i would recommend you the baritone. As a bonus, baritones always do sound better in low tunings. You can always mod it with other pubs later
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Poorly built? That's the opposite of what I thought when I had one. I thought it was one of the most solid guitars I've had my hands on.
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I have yet to play the Baritone tele, but I have played the Jim Root, and while it was nice...just wasn't a tele with the mahogany body and EMGs. Pickups can be changed, i'd go either Baritone or G&L, as I am obsessed with G&Ls now. They are killer guitars.
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Getting a baritone for tuning to C like you do would definitely be silly, however when you get down to A and Ab it makes a much bigger difference.
That's true, but most 7 strings are standard scale, and tuning down to drop A isn't that unusual. I agree for stuff below Ab however.

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Poorly built? That's the opposite of what I thought when I had one. I thought it was one of the most solid guitars I've had my hands on.
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Go for the baritone. I have the JR Tele and even though Jim Root personally plays in Drop-B/A, I would get the baritone as the JR Tele tends to not keep the tuning that well with low tunings.
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Go for the baritone. I have the JR Tele and even though Jim Root personally plays in Drop-B/A, I would get the baritone as the JR Tele tends to not keep the tuning that well with low tunings.
What if I hold it on low turnings ONLY?
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I play in drop G on my 7420 and it's scale is 25.5". It sounds pretty badass with the right pickups of course, but you can do basically anything on a 25.5" scale with the right strings and pickups.

I mean look at The Safety Fire. They have 25.5" scale custom telecasters and they play some of their songs in drop A and they have some of the best tones out there in my opinion. I wouldn't really worry too much about the scale length if you are only going to be playing in drop A/B. If you start to go a lot lower, and you don't really play the higher strings as much, maybe a baritone guitar is right for you.

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Well, I've got a Fender JR Tele myself. It's a great guitar, suited for almost any musical style. Thing is, once you go any lower than A or so, things get complicated. It's just not made for that sort of tuning. Of course, you can always make a good setup and get it working in that tuning, but it's not that easy. You'll also need a pair of thick ass strings. Since you're going for Drop B, and A#, I'd say go for the Jim Root Tele, it'll work. If you want to go any lower than A though, extended range or 7 stringers.

It's one of the best guitars I own. Not a fan of EMG's myself, but they fit in there, they sound good. It's a very high quality guitar and I'd suggest it to anyone who likes a simple but efficient piece of wood.
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I have a Jim Root tele, I have zero issues with the quality. Its on par with my Fender Americans. I tune all my guitars to drop B, I prefer the 25.5 scale length over the baritones. I have never had any issues with string action during set-up. I use DR 11s on everything as I like a little "play" in my strings. Typically the only thing I have to modify is the nut to accommodate the strings, and thats only on some of the guitars. My vote, goes to the JR tele.
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thanks for your opinions guys (: i finally got the jim root telecaster
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