Can a 5150 djent?

7stringDemon · 02-23-2012, 10:10 PM

I used the search function AND google. I can't believe no one has asked this. . . . . . .

Can a 5150 djent? I know it has enough gain and all but does it have the right gain STRUCTURE? I know they're the ideal for the good ol' death metal (and deathcore

) but the tone difference is outstanding between the two genre's (bassy death metal and djent I mean) and every time I play, say, a 6505+ it's AWESOME for the Death Metal and Deathcore tone but it can never get quite bright and tight enough for djent.

Maybe a 3120 would be better?
Or perhaps a POD HD Pro?

I'm playing an Ibanez RG7620 (stock pickups, .10-.80 in Drop G).
Genz Benz GB412 G-Flex cab
I HAVE a TS9 but I don't really like using it unless I have to. The simpler the chain the better IMO.

Oh, and I don't have the opertunity to play any of these amps (5150, POD HD Pro, 3120. My Guitar Center sucks). So I just have to guess. It REALLY sucks

.

Thanks a ton dudes!

Stealthdjentstic · 02-23-2012, 10:13 PM

Um....yes.

TRENCHLORD · 02-23-2012, 10:17 PM

Amps don't djent people, people djent people. (guns kill reference lol)

7stringDemon · 02-23-2012, 10:20 PM

I understand the technique and all but I'll NEVER get to play one so I have to ask stupid questions. Sorry guys.

But I really just want to know if they have the clarity. I can make the bass sound tight with my picking and fretting hand technique (like I've said in another thread, I can djent without a Noise Gate

) but you can't replicate clarity.

Shadowspecced · 02-23-2012, 10:22 PM

I would personally stay away from 5150's for djent.

Stealthdjentstic · 02-23-2012, 10:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7stringDemon

I understand the technique and all but I'll NEVER get to play one so I have to ask stupid questions. Sorry guys.

But I really just want to know if they have the clarity. I can make the bass sound tight with my picking and fretting hand technique (like I've said in another thread, I can djent without a Noise Gate

) but you can't replicate clarity.

Yes, they can, worst comes to worst use an OD. Although if you want that, "old school" (lol) djent tone there's no substitution for a good old POD X3 with the big bottom, a few gates and a compressor or 7!

7stringDemon · 02-23-2012, 10:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shadowspecced

I would personally stay away from 5150's for djent.

Any reason why? Everyone seems to not only disagree, but also think I'm a moron for doubting it

And is there any reason for having a ton of noice gates at once?

stevo1 · 02-23-2012, 10:34 PM

Yeah, They can be pretty Djenty. I stay away from the whole djent thing, but it's somewhat amusing to do when you're bored. Just turn the gain down and run a boost and gate, should keep it really tight. I run my gain on mine at about 4, and it's pretty "djentzzz". I even djent around with *gasp* EMG's. tube choice helps too, like lower gain tubes.

groph · 02-23-2012, 10:38 PM

My Peavey Bandit 112 can djent. A 5150 can definitely djent. Just don't pile the gain on, boost it, and crank the mids. They CAN sound bright. They're a generally dark sounding amp but they're far from the darkest. A lot of ENGLS have a dark voicing and those "djent" for days. It's a palm muting technique, anyway. As long as you have a clear tone that translates your technique well, you can djent. If you absolutely had to you could probably chuck an EQ in the loop and you'd be set, but I'm nearly positive you can get a djent appropriate tone out of a 5150. Get a 5150II and use the rhythm channel with the crunch engaged, that's probably clearer sounding than the lead channel.

7stringDemon · 02-23-2012, 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stevo1

Yeah, They can be pretty Djenty. I stay away from the whole djent thing, but it's somewhat amusing to do when you're bored. Just turn the gain down and run a boost and gate, should keep it really tight. I run my gain on mine at about 4, and it's pretty "djentzzz". I even djent around with *gasp* EMG's. tube choice helps too, like lower gain tubes.

I haven't started enjoying djent until recently. I used to hate it to be honest

. But I don't have a Noise Gate. Obviously, I can go buy one but I'd rather not. Can it be done without? Wait. . . I already know that it can be done without. You just need to know where and when to mute your strings. Disregard most of what I just said

.

Stealthdjentstic · 02-23-2012, 10:45 PM

Well you need a noisegate anyways for most high gain amps if you intend on turning them up.

7stringDemon · 02-23-2012, 10:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Stealthdjentstic

Well you need a noisegate anyways for most high gain amps if you intend on turning them up.

Very true. I completely forgot about the live aspect of things.

Off topic: I wish I could afford a VHT Sig:X. . . Then my problems would be solved. There's NO tone that they can't do.

CYBERSYN · 02-23-2012, 11:22 PM

Need djent setting for a peavey 6505+

Peavey 6505+ vs. 6534+?

6505 djent sound?

Help! Djent tone needed!

Peavey 5150 vs 6505+ vs jsx for 8 string djent

Really?

you couldn't find anything?

Crazy little djent clip with 5150, need opinions!

Wookieslayer · 02-23-2012, 11:28 PM

mike0 · 02-23-2012, 11:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 7stringDemon

Very true. I completely forgot about the live aspect of things.

Off topic: I wish I could afford a VHT Sig:X. . . Then my problems would be solved. There's NO tone that they can't do.

Oh, there's tones they can't do alright. But the tones it can't do are tones i don't care for, so i'll agree with you to an extent. After going from a 5150 to a sig: x, there's just something in the balls department that it's missing... Still one hell of an amp though!

On topic, like others have said, 5150s can definitely djent. With the right toys--err-- pedals, and the right technique, it is more than possible

Philligan · 02-23-2012, 11:46 PM

@cybersyn +1.

I own one. Yes, it can get djenty. No, I don't think djent is a genre. I go for djentier tones.

I typically run my bass around 4-5, mids around 7, and treble around 5-6. Resonance and bass usually near noon each.

Boosting it helps, for sure. Don't be afraid to run your gain really low. In the hardcore band I'm in, I still go for a tone with some djentier qualities, and I run that EQ with a boost and the gain around 3.

If you wanna get like Periphery djenty, try running that EQ boosted with the gain around 1.

If you wanna get Meshuggah/Tesseract djenty, try boosting the crunch channel.

sage · 02-24-2012, 02:10 AM

^^^

that is like actual, concrete and useful advice... with where to set the knobs and everything... ....in' a rights...

Outside · 02-24-2012, 02:35 AM

lol fun thread

4Eyes · 02-24-2012, 02:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by TRENCHLORD

Amps don't djent people, people djent people. (guns kill reference lol)

Amps don't djent music, people djent music, with hands.

does anybody wrote a chart with amps and their djent rating?

broj15 · 02-24-2012, 03:01 AM

5150/ 6505 + proper eq+ a green pedal of some sort+ a noise gate (or 7) = djent

I'm currently tuned in drop A running my 5150 II through the cab portion of my hartke vx3500 (i know, i know, it's a bass cab, but if i cut the bass and gain it doesn't get to "boomy" and it handles the high frequencies surprisingly well. It's just a temp until i can get a vht fatbottom or an orange ppc412). My eq settings for the lead channel are as follows:

Bass - 2.5 (probably wouldn't have to cut this as much if i was running through a guitar cab)
Mids - 5.5
High - 6.5~
Pre - 2.5
Post - What ever feels appropriate. When the rest of the family is home i usually keep it around 2 but whne I'm alone it gets cranked.
Res - 2
Pres- 4
Settings on maxon Od808:
Overdrive - 1
Tone - 7
Balance (level) - Dimed
Still trying to figure out how to get the boss ns-2 in the mix. experimenting between running it in the fx loop or putting it out front. I can get a djent-y tone pretty good without it but it could still be tighter.
I usually use these settings for breakdowns and low end riffage but i change it up for atmospheric, droning, dissonant stuff.

Edit: I don't really play (or like) djent, but i feel like that style of tight tone can be used for alot of other applications in metal/ progressive music

AeonSolus · 02-24-2012, 04:56 AM

^ what he said, but put hte presence up to 8 which is where the overtones start to jump out according to Misha "Bulb" Mansoor, which loves the whole 5150 deal by the way, and you know if the man likes something, it means it can "Djent."

Shask · 02-24-2012, 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by mike0

Oh, there's tones they can't do alright. But the tones it can't do are tones i don't care for, so i'll agree with you to an extent. After going from a 5150 to a sig: x, there's just something in the balls department that it's missing... Still one hell of an amp though!

On topic, like others have said, 5150s can definitely djent. With the right toys--err-- pedals, and the right technique, it is more than possible

Are you saying the Sig:X is missing something in the balls dept, or the 5150?

HighGain510 · 02-24-2012, 09:37 AM

What is a djent?

mike0 · 02-24-2012, 09:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shask

Are you saying the Sig:X is missing something in the balls dept, or the 5150?

The Sig: X. It just doesn't have that certain something typical high gain heads have. But what it lacks, whatever that is (i can't put my finger on it), it makes up for in versatility and by having its own unique flavor. I haven't regetted the switch for a moment.

Seanthesheep · 02-24-2012, 11:19 AM

My 6534+ djents like hell through any V30 cabinet

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7stringDemon SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Joliet, IL Posts: 1,614 Thanked: 13 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	Can a 5150 djent? I used the search function AND google. I can't believe no one has asked this. . . . . . . Can a 5150 djent? I know it has enough gain and all but does it have the right gain STRUCTURE? I know they're the ideal for the good ol' death metal (and deathcore ) but the tone difference is outstanding between the two genre's (bassy death metal and djent I mean) and every time I play, say, a 6505+ it's AWESOME for the Death Metal and Deathcore tone but it can never get quite bright and tight enough for djent. Maybe a 3120 would be better? Or perhaps a POD HD Pro? I'm playing an Ibanez RG7620 (stock pickups, .10-.80 in Drop G). Genz Benz GB412 G-Flex cab I HAVE a TS9 but I don't really like using it unless I have to. The simpler the chain the better IMO. Oh, and I don't have the opertunity to play any of these amps (5150, POD HD Pro, 3120. My Guitar Center sucks). So I just have to guess. It REALLY sucks . Thanks a ton dudes! Music lovers show eachother bands. Guitarists show eachother tones. Trans Blue/Teal Quilt Maple tops

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7stringDemon SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2012 Location: Joliet, IL Posts: 1,614 Thanked: 13 Feedback Score: 1 reviews	I understand the technique and all but I'll NEVER get to play one so I have to ask stupid questions. Sorry guys. But I really just want to know if they have the clarity. I can make the bass sound tight with my picking and fretting hand technique (like I've said in another thread, I can djent without a Noise Gate ) but you can't replicate clarity. Music lovers show eachother bands. Guitarists show eachother tones. Trans Blue/Teal Quilt Maple tops

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Shadowspecced SS.org Regular Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Levittown, NY Posts: 420 Thanked: 13 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	I would personally stay away from 5150's for djent.

02-23-2012, 10:34 PM	#8
stevo1 "Asian Persuasion" Join Date: May 2010 Location: Riverview, Fl Posts: 640 Thanked: 8 Feedback Score: 7 reviews	Yeah, They can be pretty Djenty. I stay away from the whole djent thing, but it's somewhat amusing to do when you're bored. Just turn the gain down and run a boost and gate, should keep it really tight. I run my gain on mine at about 4, and it's pretty "djentzzz". I even djent around with gasp EMG's. tube choice helps too, like lower gain tubes. Lives Once Abstract likes this.

02-23-2012, 10:38 PM	#9
groph surrounded by chairs Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Nova Scotia, Canada Posts: 2,398 Thanked: 57 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	My Peavey Bandit 112 can djent. A 5150 can definitely djent. Just don't pile the gain on, boost it, and crank the mids. They CAN sound bright. They're a generally dark sounding amp but they're far from the darkest. A lot of ENGLS have a dark voicing and those "djent" for days. It's a palm muting technique, anyway. As long as you have a clear tone that translates your technique well, you can djent. If you absolutely had to you could probably chuck an EQ in the loop and you'd be set, but I'm nearly positive you can get a djent appropriate tone out of a 5150. Get a 5150II and use the rhythm channel with the crunch engaged, that's probably clearer sounding than the lead channel.

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Stealthdjentstic Banned Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: Vancouver, BC, Canadia Posts: 19,978 Thanked: 338 Feedback Score: 10 reviews	Well you need a noisegate anyways for most high gain amps if you intend on turning them up.

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CYBERSYN CYBERnetic SYNergy Join Date: Sep 2008 Location: Sunny Coast, Australia Posts: 5,368 Thanked: 33 Feedback Score: 2 reviews	Need djent setting for a peavey 6505+ Peavey 6505+ vs. 6534+? 6505 djent sound? Help! Djent tone needed! Peavey 5150 vs 6505+ vs jsx for 8 string djent Really? you couldn't find anything? Crazy little djent clip with 5150, need opinions! Vicissitude27, USMarine75, Dead Undead and 4 others like this. Make a rule where, who ever messes up gets punched in the face. That is how I run my solo project. - Floppystrings Search this site by going to Google and adding site:sevenstring.org after your search word!

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Philligan The White-Knuckler Join Date: Oct 2009 Location: Sarnia, ON, Canada Posts: 4,327 Thanked: 43 Feedback Score: 6 reviews	@cybersyn +1. I own one. Yes, it can get djenty. No, I don't think djent is a genre. I go for djentier tones. I typically run my bass around 4-5, mids around 7, and treble around 5-6. Resonance and bass usually near noon each. Boosting it helps, for sure. Don't be afraid to run your gain really low. In the hardcore band I'm in, I still go for a tone with some djentier qualities, and I run that EQ with a boost and the gain around 3. If you wanna get like Periphery djenty, try running that EQ boosted with the gain around 1. If you wanna get Meshuggah/Tesseract djenty, try boosting the crunch channel. Wookieslayer, USMarine75, Gryphon and 2 others like this. "it blowed the emg's in the dirt" - De Vries "Richlite is to Paper Mache as Carbon Composite is to charcoal briquettes." - Max

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sage Banned Join Date: May 2011 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 1,313 Thanked: 16 Feedback Score: 5 reviews	^^^ that is like actual, concrete and useful advice... with where to set the knobs and everything... ....in' a rights...

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broj15 SS.org Regular Join Date: Aug 2011 Location: The middle of a corn field, IN Posts: 1,443 Thanked: 9 Feedback Score: 3 reviews	5150/ 6505 + proper eq+ a green pedal of some sort+ a noise gate (or 7) = djent I'm currently tuned in drop A running my 5150 II through the cab portion of my hartke vx3500 (i know, i know, it's a bass cab, but if i cut the bass and gain it doesn't get to "boomy" and it handles the high frequencies surprisingly well. It's just a temp until i can get a vht fatbottom or an orange ppc412). My eq settings for the lead channel are as follows: Bass - 2.5 (probably wouldn't have to cut this as much if i was running through a guitar cab) Mids - 5.5 High - 6.5~ Pre - 2.5 Post - What ever feels appropriate. When the rest of the family is home i usually keep it around 2 but whne I'm alone it gets cranked. Res - 2 Pres- 4 Settings on maxon Od808: Overdrive - 1 Tone - 7 Balance (level) - Dimed Still trying to figure out how to get the boss ns-2 in the mix. experimenting between running it in the fx loop or putting it out front. I can get a djent-y tone pretty good without it but it could still be tighter. I usually use these settings for breakdowns and low end riffage but i change it up for atmospheric, droning, dissonant stuff. Edit: I don't really play (or like) djent, but i feel like that style of tight tone can be used for alot of other applications in metal/ progressive music "At least Deathcore was heavy as shit when done right, this new stuff sounds like if meshuggah and taking back sunday had a homosexual he/she creature when bred together." -- Some dude on youtube

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AeonSolus DO CEO / RHLC © Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Dominican Republic Posts: 1,783 Thanked: 81 Feedback Score: 0 reviews	^ what he said, but put hte presence up to 8 which is where the overtones start to jump out according to Misha "Bulb" Mansoor, which loves the whole 5150 deal by the way, and you know if the man likes something, it means it can "Djent." Products of my boreness: http://www.soundclick.com/luisangelcompres

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