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Unread 02-28-2011, 07:09 PM   #426
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Nice!

How do you find your s470dxqm?

By the way, I went surfing thorugh forums just now and realised something. Apparently, (as quoted from the forum) the ZR tremelo is made out of cheap material and is very fragile. This is what the opinion said: "Although I've got a ZR, go with the FR. Not many people know about this, but the piece that secures in the tremolo is made of cheap plastic, and it's very easy to break. I broke mine and had to replace it (And the trem bar) with OFR pieces, which took mucho modding. Just go with the OFR." On top of this, quite a few people who owned a Ibanez S series with the ZR tremelo agreed with this. However, they had their own methods of "maintaining it" from breaking. This makes me doubt the durablity of the ZR.

Fortunately, it was mentioned that this problem has been solved in the new ZR2, though I hope it does not turn to be something like the edge III. Apparenty, the ZR2 tremelos are only installed in the prestige S series. So i believe the prices are going to go up by quite alot as compared to the s470.

What are your views to this?

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Unread 02-28-2011, 07:48 PM   #427
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Nice!

How do you find your s470dxqm?

By the way, I went surfing thorugh forums just now and realised something. Apparently, (as quoted from the forum) the ZR tremelo is made out of cheap material and is very fragile. This is what the opinion said: "Although I've got a ZR, go with the FR. Not many people know about this, but the piece that secures in the tremolo is made of cheap plastic, and it's very easy to break. I broke mine and had to replace it (And the trem bar) with OFR pieces, which took mucho modding. Just go with the OFR." On top of this, quite a few people who owned a Ibanez S series with the ZR tremelo agreed with this. However, they had their own methods of "maintaining it" from breaking. This makes me doubt the durablity of the ZR.

Fortunately, it was mentioned that this problem has been solved in the new ZR2, though I hope it does not turn to be something like the edge III. Apparenty, the ZR2 tremelos are only installed in the prestige S series. So i believe the prices are going to go up by quite alot as compared to the s470.

What are your views to this?

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I have no idea what you are refering to. Im looking ar the zr right now in person, and see no cheap plastic. Im at a loss here. There seems to be alot of hate online towards the zr, but its unwarranted. And while I don't play it anymore, im only playing 7's these days, its my choice 6 string. But obviouly a prestige would be better. I should also mention before I got the s470 back in the day, I was playing a prs ce22, which I gladly sold after I first played a saber. Im sure alot of people would call that a horrible choice, but my playing took off once I did, and improved tremendously faster. Its a very user friendly guitar.
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Unread 02-28-2011, 08:07 PM   #428
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Take that back...there is some plastic where the tremelo arm slides in, but I played the guitar for 4 years with out a problem. Just because some random dude broke one, doesn't mean anything. Anything and everything is prone to failure when misused.
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Unread 02-28-2011, 08:24 PM   #429
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Ohh ok cool!

@TheSixthWheel No offence meant dude. was just asking


Lastly, I agree. I need to try the guitar first before knowing the neck. I have tried a fender strat recently and I felt the neck quite comfortable. Is that thickness comparable to the horizon?

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I took no offense from what you were saying, and I hope you took none from what I was saying. Good on you for wanting to learn more about the products you're contemplating purchasing.

Oh, I think a fender strat neck could often be thicker than an ESP Horizon. I know nothing about Fender though, so you might have to wait til someone else answers that one.

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Unread 02-28-2011, 08:47 PM   #430
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Ok Cool!

Anyways, I just phoned my local dealer and he said that, the new s470's come in with ZR 2. So Im going to try it out this wednesday(singapore time).

Haha yeah. Thats one unlucky dude.

For the horizon, I still will have to wait for a month, in other words in april (which sucks) to try the guitar.

I will get back to you guys after trying the s470. By the way, the s470 retails for about USD$950. Do you think thats worth it?

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Unread 02-28-2011, 08:47 PM   #431
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By the way, whats the difference between a 3pc wizard II neck and 5pc wizard II neck?

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Unread 02-28-2011, 09:18 PM   #432
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I think msrp is $950, but they typically go for around $650.
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Ohh ok thats good news

However, I just realised something. The s470 is a 22frets guitar.

Now I am looking at a s570 or s770fm for a mod for the ibanez option.

I am looking for a 24 fret guitar.

Whats your advice?

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Now that I think about it, the s570 replaced the 470, and has 24 frets
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ibanes s series

if necks and trems are the big concern, make certain to try a s prestige model. itll blow the standard line away in terms of neck finish and playability everytime. i own both standard series and prestige s models, and the style is all i play practically. i do own others, however they sit alone and get no play since i got into the s series. the prestige will be on par with esp standard series, and feel (imo) better than the esp, albeit very different.
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Ohh I see.

How does the normal s series fare against the prestige s series? Because over here. the pretige s series cost about $2200 whereas the s series cost about $1000. So I want to know if this jump in in price is equal to the quality?

On top of that, the bridges I heard are the same. Both uses a ZP2. apparently all the s series that comes in now is equipped with a ZP2.

Please advise.

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Ohh I see.

How does the normal s series fare against the prestige s series? Because over here. the pretige s series cost about $2200 whereas the s series cost about $1000. So I want to know if this jump in in price is equal to the quality?

On top of that, the bridges I heard are the same. Both uses a ZP2. apparently all the s series that comes in now is equipped with a ZP2.

Please advise.

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the prestige is made in japan, where ibanez is based, with a hand crafted neck. The non prestige is made in indonesia, but all cnc, so there isn't any room for error. If you can afford it, you will have more pride playing the prestige, but either way, both nice guitars
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So in other words, the difference is quite minimal? Its like squir vs fender/ ltd vs esp?

Yeah. $2200 is a little over my budget. haha

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Because I think I have gathered enough theoratical opinions on the ESP horizon and whats left for me is trying it out. However, I can't try it out yet so I will wait till its available at my local shop to try it out.

So now, I just want to gather more information about the S series since, due to my mistake, I did not realise that the s470 is a 22 fret guitar. Sorry. So now I'm looking at the s570, s770fm and the s5470 prestige. Thus, I will like to know if the difference of more than 2 times in the pricing between the s570 and s5470 is worth it or not.

Rest assured, I will try out both guitars and get back to you guys with my personal opinions on them


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Jackson Rhoads vs King V vs Warrior Vs Kelly?

I been looking into these shapes lately and been wondering if I should pick on of them up since they all LOOK great, but in terms of playability comfort, which one seems to be the best for those who have played them?

Note the only Jacksons I have really played are soloists and dinkies and they all play great.
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I have a RR24 and a Demmelition King V.

IMO the Rhoads is slightly easier to play when sat down, but there's hardly any difference when you're stood up.

I'd just go with what shape you like most, providing they're all roughly the same spec!
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I am a big Jackson fan, but when playability is the main concern... IMO the best would be the Warrior. You can play on it while sitting like on a "dinky" or it fits really well in the "classical" "v" position.

While standing, especially during solos, the body shape, "horns" lets you "block" the guitar with your legs and play solos without any problems. (of course it can be done on a KV and I think RR also.. but rather not on a kelly...

Now I have superstrats , and after playing on a ML shape, I had to relearn how to play solos while standing on superstrats LOL.

All are great, all look great, but I's go with the Warrior

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I have an RR, and it's really easy to play both sitting and standing, all you need to do is whack the fins either side of your right leg.
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Warrior. IMHO, They're the most comfortable.
But they're Jacksons, so really can't go wrong with any of them.
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Just don't go with the JS or RX series, as they tend to be Headstock heavy.
That was what I was really worried about. I played a few of those and you are right they are.

But I am going with a USA Select or higher end pro Series. So all is good.
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Schecter atx 8 VS Ibanez RGA8

These are the 2 8 strings I am considering
What I like about them
Schecter atx 8 SD blackouts, satin finish, hipshot bridge

Ibanez 27 scale, locking nut on the fx bridge, price is much cheaper than the schecter

Do both of these guitars not come with any case?
I heard some really bad stories about the ibanez or is that the rg2228?
I am based in EU so there is a difference of 300euros between them

Give me your thoughts and opinions or your personal preferences
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Try each and see which is the best fit for you. The Hellraiser is where I ended up with two Lundgren M8s installed aftermarket but you could easily do the same with the Damion Elite or the Ibanez models. Good luck.

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actually this is a thread i want to see as well though ppl natural dislike 'vs' threads. i already hav an intrepid 828 but it's dominated by maple wood sounds, being neck thru. so i am wondering how these guitars would sound like (schecter being setneck, ibanez bolton, the main body is mahogany), and how the different scale lengths come into play. ppl say 26.5 is too short for F# but if 27 is good enough, why not 26.5?
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