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Unread 03-09-2010, 08:14 PM   #22
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No worries if you're referring to Hitler's Germany and the third Reich I think you're off the mark a bit. Hitler only wanted consolidation in government with respect to the person who controlled it and it's power. He wanted that to be himself. That is to say, he didn't want a full-scale democracy, nor communist state/nation, he wanted the power all for himself and he got it. That said though, Hitler believed that the end game for being in power was territorial expansion. Hence the term Third Reich, which is often misunderstood to mean Third Reign, when in fact it means Third Realm. Realm as in Realm like you'd see in Tolkien's Middle Earth. A realm, a land, a great swath of territory to be controlled and expanded. Germany was busy licking it's wounds from WWI, they wanted some national pride back. Hitler had the voice and an axe to grind with Jews so he quickly made them the scapegoat for Germany's woes. I guess in that respect that yes, you could argue that that's a manufactured reason for going to war. But the forest-for-the-trees view, in my opinion, would be that he was just doing what he saw as the next logical step in expanding his territory. That is, go to war with, crush and annex surrounding nations. And if you can weed out the people that have wronged you in the past (READ Jews) then that's just a bonus.
Didn't make myself clear enough quite yet. Hitler, for all the things he did/said/thought, was nothing more than a puppet in the larger scheme of things. And those who financed him set him up to fail. Their ends were satisfied when he lost. He who pays the piper picks the tune, after all.

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If it's a text-book ruse, it's a pretty piss-poor one. Why make such a dumb.... move as to literally escort a suspected terrorist/sympathizer/what-have-you onto a plane? I mean, if the CIA got the report from the father that ol' Junior was planning something bad, why go through the trouble of actually tucking him nicely into his seat? Were they worried he wouldn't get through security? Have they admitted as much? Has the actual bomber admitted as much? I'm just curious. And as far as naked body scanners go, why go through all the trouble to come up with this far reaching gambit with all the things that could go wrong with it? For what? To watch people's junk-in-the-trunk as they pass through the terminal? That's their end-goal? Snooping on people's private parts??? I don't know, that sounds a bit far-fetched to me.
It's piss-poor, of course, but it shows just how conditioned people are to this, that so few people are making a giant stink about this in airports. Most just go through with it thinking that catching their flight is more important than protecting their privacy.

Believe me, if I had any need to fly I'd tell them I only show my dick to women I find attractive, and nobody's feeling me up that doesn't put out.

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On one hand people say "well if you've got nothing to hide, you don't need to worry". I ....ing HATE that line of thinking. That's sheep-think, not even group-think. They've no business looking, it's all security-theatre anyway. On the other hand, people are saying "If they looks at the children, they's got themselves kiddie porn, etc". That too is a piss poor line of reasoning. So they've got themselves kiddie porn, it's either deleted ASAP or what do you think will happen if a single frame of it is ever leaked, downloaded, stolen, moved, copied or sent somewhere???? The shit would hit the fan real ....ing hard and they'd have those things removed faster than the warts on Courtney Love's pussy.
Me to a female TSA inspector: "If I've got nothing to hide, then neither do you. Take your top off honey."

Also, that's already been proven fake, that images are immediately deleted. Proof.

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If those scanners are mis-used, they're a huge liabillity. Huge. Like bankrupt the TSA kind of huge. They're not going to take that chance. So they're going to either use them very judiciously or they're going to follow a protocol for the removal of images/data to a T. There's no room for slop with those. No you can argue that it'll just *look* to the laymen like they're doing what they're supposed to with them. That just goes back to the whole thing being security theatre. How many baddies have they caught trying to sneak in bombs tucked neatly in their anus? 1? 10? 100? My guess is, not ....ing many. So why have them? To prevent the bomber's you say they helped on there in the first place? So if not them, then who? And why?
It's all about mind control, and conditioning the masses to do what you tell them to, one little step at a time. First you tell them they have to remove their shoes for inspection before boarding, because someone had a bomb in their shoe. Sounds reasonable enough, so then someone hides a bomb in their underwear, so we have to install naked-body scanners and have intimate grope sessions if they even suspect you might have something on you that's bad.

So what's next? (Honestly, I don't know, what's the programming leading up to? I can't think it's very good)

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Like I said, there is simply no good reason for having them and since theyre going to ram them down our throats, like everything else anyway, why go through all the cloak n' dagger bullshit? Makes no sense. My theory is that someone, somewhere, got it in their head that it was a good idea. That it would *help*. However ....ing misdirected or misguided this idiot's line of reasoning was, he thought it looked good on paper. Or maybe she did. Whatever. Anyway, that's how I think these things come to pass. Not shady, back-room, back-water, black-water, black-ops horseshit.
I'm sure you could find at least a few who honestly believed these would help the "terrorist threat". Actually, you could probably find a lot of them. You're also going to find just as many getting into TSA for these naked-body scanners as people became priests in the catholic church for the choir boys.

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I hadn't heard that bit about the CIA creating Al-Qaeda. I heard about them helping the Taliban during their fight against the Soviets in the early 80s. I hadn't heard them outright admit that they'd created Al-Qaeda, other than to say something to the effect of Al-Qaeda were the result of a small group of *hard-line* Islamic extremists who thought the Taliban were too *soft* or someone, somewhere, was too soft for them, so they wanted to "keep it real" and get back to the basics of living in caves and clubbing women over the head and shit.
BBC Documentary where former CIA officials say Al Qaeda never existed. It goes on and on about the "neo-cons", but there are some facts interlaced in there somewhere. Much like all other media.

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You know, and this is not a dig, just an observation, that you sound a teensie-weensie bit like someone who believes in conspiracy theories. That's OK if you are, you have a right to. Personally I don't buy into them. To me, conspiracy theories are like TV sitcoms. They're funny, they make you laugh, hell some even make you think for a moment or two, but at the end of it, you realize it's all make believe.
/me deadpans, folds a sheet of aluminum foil and wears it like a hat

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What bit about WWI was manufactured? I mean reason-for-involvement-wise, what part was manufactured and/or false? And for that matter, what part of WWII was false/manufactured? I ask sincerely because I don't know. I suppose you could easily argue about Viet Nam as being unnecessary, though our involvement, to the dismay of some Democrats it would seem wasn't oil.
I include WWI as it was the immediate preceding conflict which eatablished much of the groundwork for WWII, and with WWII being suspect, I am searching the history books for signs of the subtle pokes and prods being given by those groups who would later have more involvement in WWII. I'm afraid I can't cite any specific bit about WWI, though, as it's more a feeling based off other knowledge than solid indisputable fact.

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The first Gulf War was most certainly about oil, and about protecting our friends in Kuwait, who also just happened to be sitting on some nice oil. This most recent war was started to find weapons of mass destruction. And at the same time stop terrorist training camps in Iraq and Afghanistan, and simultaneously find and kill Osama Bin Laden. And you want my opinion on why it turned out so damned bad? Because we arrogantly thought that we'd steam-roll the opposition in Iraq the same way we'd done in '90-'91. We thought they'd be surrending to us in droves again. We thought telegraphing our punches in the form of "shock and awe" was going to shut them up, and shut them down.
WMD's which we never found and the Bush administration didn't seem to awfully concerned about not finding.

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We weren't counting on a home-grown resistance that was more than willing to fight to the death to keep us out. And most importantly, we let the news and popular opinion ham string our troops with shitty equipment, poor training, poor numbers, poor communication and a hopeless devotion to making things "safe for TV". Casualties, missions, planning, all of it a complete charlie foxtrot because someone, somewhere, was worried about someone else's feelings. Someone else's lives. We didn't concern ourselves with winning, we concerned ourselves with trying to please an unhappy public with winning a game of dirty pool. And when we had the chance to at least use some god damned common sense and actually PLANT weapons of mass destruction. To you know, actually make it LOOK like we'd actually been somewhat justified in our reason for going, we took the fast train to stupid-ville and said "ahhhh, yeah, those weapons we thought were here... uhhhh.... they're uhhhhhh not. yeah... uhhh, I'm going to have to go ahead and say uhhhh.... sorry about that... our bad.... Hey look over there! It's Osama!!!! Git em'!!!!".
You're starting to see the big picture little by little...

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Even a dirty cop knows if you want to make the bad guys pay and still look like a hero, you do what's necessary to get the conviction. If that means planting evidence, you do it.
I WANT a dirty cop to plant evidence on me. Then I get to arrest him for possession of whatever he plants. (See the article on enforcement )

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Anyway, that's a topic for another discussion and I'm typing yet another book here.
Books are good. I'm logging the topics I'm making regarding my charter and other serious issues on various forums so I can reference what I type here into larger treatises I'm working on. The word jockeying helps me think.

When a well-packaged web of lies has been sold gradually to the masses over generations,
the truth will seem utterly preposterous and its speaker a raving lunatic. Dresden James

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