| plus they dont have a name behind them, like mesa or marshall. they are primarily for metal players. I'v played a 4x12 and must say, for metal, these cabs are the best IMO. Unbelievabley loud, but clear and articulate. the bass didnt drown out the highs and mids. if you were going to be doing cleans in there, i probably wouldnt always go with a vader, but if your playing metal, i'd always go with a vader |