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Originally Posted by oompa  well as usual you are mistaken Jeff. theft means that i take something. i dont. i copy it. that is not theft, that is breaking copyright laws.
you know that old story about a dude downloading a song from another dude, and when it is finished, the other dude starts downloading the same song back from him.. the first dude asks him "what are you doing?" to wich the second dude replies "getting my song back, fucker".
i bet you dont see whats funny about that one. |
Actually, I do see what's funny about that. However, either you've forgotten or you're ignoring that it takes quite a bit of time and money to produce music, and while you're not preventing anyone else from enjoying it you're reaping the benefits of someone's work without them receiving any compensation.
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Originally Posted by oompa again you are wrong Jeff. it is not theft. it is breaking copyright laws. if i steal their master tape, and supposedly magically make them forget how to create the same piece again, it would be theft. theft means i take something from you so that i have it and you dont. and i can't always send it back and get a refund cus i think it sucks. either way that is exactly what i am doing by downloading, it just takes place in a different order, that is alot easier for both parts. |
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Originally Posted by Wikipedia In the criminal law, theft (also known as stealing) is the illegal taking of another person's property without that person's freely-given consent. |
So how many times can we stick 'as usual/again you're wrong' into an argument?
They own that music. They decide how it is distributed, and if they only allow it to be distributed in exchange for goods or services then you are taking their property without their 'freely-given consent'...
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Originally Posted by oompa No Jeff, replay value is not entirely subjective. for someone who just likes to argue for no reason over something that is commonly accepted, it might be entirely subjective. but for the rest of the world it is not. a music album has higher replay value than a movie. stop trying to create angles that are not there. you are just going with the "but i know this exception that makes your commonly accepted theory useless" argument. get real. |
Me? Get real? I'm not the one making a claim about how many times someone can enjoy something. I'm not just finding one random example from the middle of nowhere, there are plenty of films that I can watch several times and enjoy them fully. I know I'm not alone, too - plenty of people feel the same, and that's why they purchase films instead of renting [EDIT, screwed that one up... meant renting, sorry] them. Do you really want to argue about how many times films can be enjoyed?
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Originally Posted by oompa you say you'd pick your wife after spending a portion of your life with her. well then we are the same. i do the exact same thing with a CD. the marry a girl part was another example from the top of my head how "picking something potentially longlasting by a tiny sample" is what i dislike. |
However, the woman involved consents to everything I'm doing, whereas we're under the assumption that the other party in your downloading scheme does not consent to your downloading. If, during the 'trial period', you evaluated her sexual perfomance without her permission (sampling without consent, if you will), you'd be a rapist.
(And I don't believe JJ needs the competition.)
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Originally Posted by oompa i just love how bands like NIN have realised this and dump their new cd for free. |
I like that too - even when I'm given the option to get something for free, I buy it just because I support that approach so much... and honestly I don't see myself selling anything I've created, for that matter (music, videos, writing, whatever) for a lot of reasons. However, too many great people I know have gotten shafted by the music business - people who have and have not given their whole albums for a free listen, people who support and oppose downloading, people who consider it theft and people who don't, et cetera - and had their hard work fly from their hands with nothing given in return for me to be able to support downloading.
Jeff