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Old 05-08-2008, 12:56 AM   #44
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Vince, atheism can also be the lack of a belief in god. Also, if your conception of a god is internally contradictory (like an omnipotent or omnipresent deity) it can be impossible from a logical perspective, and unless you consider logic to be inherently flawed you can arrive at atheism that way.

For the guys who think they're called stupid or being persecuted for believing in ID... I think you can believe whatever you want, and honestly most people who you think are persecuting you agree. The problem comes when you try to pass something like that off as science... when it isn't.

First, ID is NOT falsifiable, which immediately disqualifies it from serious scientific consideration. Second, no research is done in ID to the best of the field's leaders' knowledge, and no medical breakthroughs come from it, so it is in practice useless. Third, it is a non-answer - until it possesses explanatory and predictive power, it is of no use to a mind that wants real answers.

"God did it" is no better an answer than "It just is"; further, by saying that everything needed to be created you're actually making the problem more complex. If the creator was created, where did the creator's creator (and the creator's creator's creator, and so on) come from? This has no value since it raises the complexity of the issue infinitely and answers nothing more. If the creator was not created, no sound explanation is given as to why the creator did not need to be created and the simpler creation did, and you've still complicated the problem further for no good reason.

You can believe it, but from the scientific perspective it is simply a non-answer. As for religion... as always I appreciate the concern, but I simply think you don't have as beautiful an oasis as logic, so I'm trying to help you to the one I like more.

(And some would find it silly if someone didn't believe science but still used the fruits of simply incredible solid-state physics to transmit arguments against it.)

Jeff
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