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I do think it is unfortunate that this argument has gotten to the heated level that it has, because i feel that only builds a stronger resistance on both sides to really wanting to hear the other.


Noodles, I just wanted to say that i'm a bit disappointed in you for the way you commented. You've always come across to me as a reasonable person who doesn't let himself get carried away in honest discussion, but you just slammed Jeff in aggressive manner AND made a real ignorant stereotype about the artist - both actions which i had thought would be beneath you, man. You also came off as pretty self-righteous by having to cite all the things you've done for stray animals to make your argument.

Jeff, while i am for the most part in agreement with you - at least to the degree that i think people are making unfortunately uninformed assumptions - i think you could take further steps to be more articulate and less irate in what you write. I particularly would like to cite your references to biased media and talking about credible sources. I think, for discussions sake, you aren't making a clear enough point about what makes these sources credible or not, so that from a 3rd person perspective, you come across as one of those raving conspiracy theorist types that's always yelling about propaganda. While i myself may be very much of the same mindset, i think it's important to keep in mind how your communicating things because you're talking with people who don't all see the world through your eyes.


Once again, after all this discussion, i would like to try and re-emphasize that I believe all this discussion of Guillermo Vargas as a person is trivial. Whether or not he's an asshole or righteous - he STILL exposed a major double-standard in people's ethics and nobody is addressing that. You know what - if this guy is in fact just an asshole who doesn't really care about animals and he did just put that dog out on the street to die... It doesn't matter.

Guess what? There are assholes in the world. and plenty of selfish dirtbags. In all fairness, unless you plan on being a vigilante head-hunter and want to kill this guy, you're wasting your breath arguing about whether or not he's a douchebag. I think the more important factor in what Jeff has to offer in the conversation is that the media is making the whole situation about the short-comings of one man, rather than the short-comings of a society.